The OS-9 Forum Read Menu Read 1 [NEW] messages 2 Message NUMBER 3 WAITING messages for you (0) Search [new] messages 4 FROM (Sender) 5 SUBJECT 6 TO (Recipient) Enter choice !>1 #: 3571 S10/Tandy CoCo 18-May-90 19:14:50 Sb: #3567-#Break key Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 To: PHIL SCHERER 71211,2545 (X) Phil - as Pete said, an ON ERROR command will catch the Break key... but only once the program is packed. Otherwise basic09 assumes you're stopping the program run, which makes sense during testing. There is 1 Reply. #: 3627 S10/Tandy CoCo 20-May-90 14:00:55 Sb: #3571-#Break key Fm: PHIL SCHERER 71211,2545 To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X) Thanks Kev--By the way how are things going for MM1 and Tomcat?? There is 1 Reply. #: 3631 S10/Tandy CoCo 20-May-90 17:04:35 Sb: #3627-Break key Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 To: PHIL SCHERER 71211,2545 (X) They're both going okay, Phil. Slowly but surely . #: 3626 S10/Tandy CoCo 20-May-90 13:59:09 Sb: #3568-#Break key Fm: PHIL SCHERER 71211,2545 To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X) Thanks for the reply Pete!! There is 1 Reply. #: 3644 S10/Tandy CoCo 21-May-90 10:19:04 Sb: #3626-Break key Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 To: PHIL SCHERER 71211,2545 (X) No problem Phil... let us know if you run into any obstacles. Pete #: 3573 S10/Tandy CoCo 18-May-90 21:14:13 Sb: #3566-#2nd Hard Drive Help Fm: Zack Sessions 76407,1524 To: JC Hoit 73127,2213 (X) You had to remove the terminating resistor, but you are right, you also need to jumper it right also. I don't have a 213, I have a 225 and a 21-1, and they both have a small jumper pad at the back. The come jumpered as drive 0, so I just moved the jumper on the drive which was going to be /h1 over one position. Zack There is 1 Reply. #: 3575 S10/Tandy CoCo 18-May-90 21:58:04 Sb: #3573-#2nd Hard Drive Help Fm: JC Hoit 73127,2213 To: Zack Sessions 76407,1524 (X) Something is still amiss. I did move that jumper over one spot. Played all evening with different cable settings and jumper settings and whether the terminating resistor was in /h0 or not. No success. I am beginning to think that this controller is just what I want. It is a larger WD1002S-WX2. Maybe it isn't 100% compatable. Only 97.3%. JCH There is 1 Reply. #: 3579 S10/Tandy CoCo 18-May-90 22:40:42 Sb: #3575-2nd Hard Drive Help Fm: Zack Sessions 76407,1524 To: JC Hoit 73127,2213 (X) Yeah, that might be it. WD controllers can be had for $50-$60. Good luck! Zack #: 3574 S10/Tandy CoCo 18-May-90 21:23:12 Sb: #3566-#2nd Hard Drive Help Fm: Mark Griffith 76070,41 To: JC Hoit 73127,2213 (X) JC, On the ST-213 drive there is a set of jumpers located next to the 34 pin edge card connector. The two pins (one on top of the other) right next to the connector should already have a jumper between them. This sets the drive up as drive 0. What you need to do is move that jumper one over to set it up as drive 1. As for the terminating resistors, it depends mostly on the controller and drive combination whether or not any are needed. About 6 or 7 years ago, most drive controllers and drives needed one to be there at the end of the "chain". Nowadays, most controller/drive combinations really don't care. The name "terminating" resistor is misleading, much the same as it is on SCSI busses. They're really nothing more than pull-up resistors to insure, get this, that the logic levels on the lines drop (yes, not rise) to 0. If you follow the advise that most people give, that you need at least one on the last drive, you can't go wrong. I've never seen a situation where having one caused problems...although I have seen situations where only one didn't work right and two were needed. BTW: Since you are going to have two hard drives, you might want to look into getting my hard disk backup program in DL9. It works pretty good as an automatic backup utility from the "main" drive to the second on. If you also have Pete's CRON utility, you can set it up to automatically do an incremental backup of your /h0 drive to /h1 in the middle of the night. It sure is nice to know all your work is backed up for you. Mark There is 1 Reply. #: 3576 S10/Tandy CoCo 18-May-90 22:02:58 Sb: #3574-2nd Hard Drive Help Fm: JC Hoit 73127,2213 To: Mark Griffith 76070,41 (X) Hi, Mark. The Miniscribe (/h0) barfs all over the place when I take the resistor out. And it isn't changing my success one way or the other. I did move the jumper over one. As I said in the message to Zack, I am suspecting the controller being a little off beat. I am going to stop wasting my time on this one and locate one that B&B suggests. I will definitely try your HD utilities when I get this hardware straightened out. I spotted it earlier and it looked interesting. Thanx, JCH #: 3577 S14/misc/info/Soapbox 18-May-90 22:03:50 Sb: #3564-#No' Carolina Fm: Dan Robins 73007,2473 To: Jim Peasley 72726,1153 (X) Jim, Lake Wheeler ring a bell? I believe that's the one you are looking at. Dan There is 1 Reply. #: 3588 S14/misc/info/Soapbox 19-May-90 11:50:53 Sb: #3577-#No' Carolina Fm: Jim Peasley 72726,1153 To: Dan Robins 73007,2473 (X) ~ Dan; Umm.. don't see a Wheeler Lake on this map. Looks like it might be Jordan lake - highway 64 appears to cross it at the southern end. Time to get a more detailed map, I'd say! Thanks, ...Jim There is 1 Reply. #: 3640 S14/misc/info/Soapbox 20-May-90 23:25:31 Sb: #3588-No' Carolina Fm: Dan Robins 73007,2473 To: Jim Peasley 72726,1153 Well.. Lessee....Jordan is quite a bit farther away (say 25 miles or so) and is also near a town called Apex. Lake Wheeler though is with 10 minutes of my house so that is why I thought you were thinking of it. Jordan is much nicer for fishing and boating that Lake Wheeler though. Dan #: 3578 S14/misc/info/Soapbox 18-May-90 22:06:24 Sb: #3565-No' Carolina Fm: Dan Robins 73007,2473 To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X) Kevvy, Just call me the Lake man...right? (grin) Actually, he's thinking of Lake Wheeler. The only reason I know that for a fact is when my brother and I go flying, we use it as a reference point for getting back to Raleigh South airport (aka Triple W airport). Dan #: 3587 S14/misc/info/Soapbox 19-May-90 11:50:42 Sb: #3565-#No' Carolina Fm: Jim Peasley 72726,1153 To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X) ~ Kev; Yep, it looks like Jordan Lake was the one we spotted. We're in Redwood City, about 1.6 mi. from the San Andreas, so as soon as we can get some foundation work done on our house, we're outta here! I'd love to transfer to Raleigh/Chapel Hill - that way I could probably retire at 55 (in another 7 years). There's no way around here! And it's gonna get much worse in the next few years. It takes me an hour each way to get to work every day even now! NC looks like a great place to live (even without all the forum members that live there :-) , but that's a bonus). We hope to get out and explore this summer if my current project ever catches up to it's time line and I get to take my vacation. We'll see! ...Jim There is 1 Reply. #: 3592 S14/misc/info/Soapbox 19-May-90 11:59:16 Sb: #3587-No' Carolina Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 To: Jim Peasley 72726,1153 (X) Jim - well let us all know if you get a chance to come this way! We ain't got the pacific coastline, but we sure got nice lakes, beaches, and... commutes to work are short. And houses still priced okay, too. Now if we could just keep the dammed Yankees out.... . #: 3581 S8/BBS Systems/TSMon 19-May-90 07:13:13 Sb: Univ. of Cal BBS Fm: James D. Denboer 76226,2273 To: All The University of California has set up a BBS with info about 20TH ANNUAL INSTITUTE IN COMPUTER SCIENCE July - August 1990 We're testing to see how many people will call via modem to find out about high-level computer science and engineering short courses we offer in Silicon Valley and on the UC Santa Cruz campus. These are summer short course institutes 25 relevant, cutting-edge seminars and workshops in -- Language Programming/ Object Oriented Programming / Networking /Computer Documentation /Fuzzy Theory / Geographical Information Systems/Fault Tolerant Computing We have nationally-recognized instructors teaching, with some of whom are the creators or chief developers of new techologies. The number to call is 415 524 9625 (24 hours) 1200/2400-8-N-1 and follow online login instructions. #: 3582 S10/Tandy CoCo 19-May-90 09:25:52 Sb: #3307-#KingQuest/H0? Fm: CRAIG WYNN 72125,466 To: Zack Sessions 76407,1524 (X) Terrific....I guess this takes care of the side 2 request that appear from time to time. Say I just picked up the Sub game that is on sale. Again I'am faced with figuring out how to get it to run from my hard drive. It appears it needs some patching. Are you familiar with this game as well? I've got "ded" to patch with. On "sub' its got a /d0 which I've tried changing to /h0 with ded but there seems to be more the needs to be done. I guess it needs to be run from a VGF screen right? thanks Craig There are 2 Replies. #: 3583 S10/Tandy CoCo 19-May-90 09:47:57 Sb: #3582-KingQuest/H0? Fm: Zack Sessions 76407,1524 To: CRAIG WYNN 72125,466 (X) Sub Battle Simulator does indeed require a VDG window to run in. I don't remember having to do any patching however. It's disk structure is a little strange, though. Exactly what kind of problem are you haveing? Zack #: 3589 S10/Tandy CoCo 19-May-90 11:51:11 Sb: #3582-#KingQuest/H0? Fm: Jim Peasley 72726,1153 To: CRAIG WYNN 72125,466 (X) ~ Craig; There's a file called GAMES.PAT in one of the libs with Kev's PPN on it that tells how to run it (assuming you're talking about EPYX's Sub Battle). Basically, the file just says to use the commands from side 2 and ignore t2e ones from side 1. Here's an edited script that I use for starting most of the games on my HD: display c echo echo * Game selection echo * ---- --------echo * echo * 1. King's Quest III echo * echo * 2. Sub Battle Simulation echo * prompt * Select : var.0 if %0=1 echo Starting King's Quest III... echo echo Press (Clear) to play... xmode /w type=1;display c >/w chd /dd/games/kqiii chx /dd/games/kqiii/cmds (sierra <>>>/w;xmode /w type=80)& else if %0=2 echo Starting Sub Battle... echo echo Press (Clear) to play... xmode /w type=1;display c >/w chd /dd/games chx /dd/games/sub/cmds (ex sub <>>>/w;xmode /w type=80)& endif clrif See if this'll do it for you. ...Jim There is 1 Reply. #: 3591 S10/Tandy CoCo 19-May-90 11:58:04 Sb: #3589-KingQuest/H0? Fm: Jim Peasley 72726,1153 To: Jim Peasley 72726,1153 (X) ~ Craig; Ooops, shoulda stored it unformatted. display c echo echo * Game selection echo * ---- ------- - echo * echo * 1. King's Quest III echo * echo * 2. Sub Battle Simulation echo * prompt * Select : var.0 if %0=1 echo Starting King's Quest III... echo echo Press (Clear) to play... xmode /w type=1;display c >/w chd /dd/games/kqiii chx /dd/games/kqiii/cmds (sierra <>>>/w;xmode /w type=80)& else if %0=2 echo Starting Sub Battle... echo echo Press (Clear) to play... xmode /w type=1;display c >/w chd /dd/games chx /dd/games/sub/cmds (ex sub <>>>/w;xmode /w type=80)& endif clrif That should be better. ...Jim #: 3584 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK) 19-May-90 10:00:39 Sb: #Commumications Software Fm: SCOTT HOWELL 70270,641 To: all Just purchased a PT68k os9 system with 1 meg Ram, 40 meg HD, 4 serial ports. I need a good communucations package that someone can mail to me. Scott Howell 107 Winchester Tr. Smyrna, Ga 30080 thanks. There is 1 Reply. #: 3620 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK) 20-May-90 05:39:47 Sb: #3584-#Commumications Software Fm: Ed Gresick 76576,3312 To: SCOTT HOWELL 70270,641 (X) Hi Scott! Will send you Monday, via US Postal Service, a copy of 'STERM' and 'KERMIT'. I use these on the same machine. Ed There is 1 Reply. #: 3621 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK) 20-May-90 08:49:21 Sb: #3620-Commumications Software Fm: SCOTT HOWELL 70270,641 To: Ed Gresick 76576,3312 (X) Many Thanks Ed, really appreciate it. #: 3590 S15/Hot Topics 19-May-90 11:56:40 Sb: #3557-#OS9 A/O Uniflex??? Fm: Colin Smith 73777,1360 To: Zack Sessions 76407,1524 (X) I know, I found the UNIX alias command and used it for that purpose! I just happen to like OS-9 better than UNIX. So sue me! --Colin There is 1 Reply. #: 3604 S15/Hot Topics 19-May-90 14:22:57 Sb: #3590-OS9 A/O Uniflex??? Fm: Zack Sessions 76407,1524 To: Colin Smith 73777,1360 (X) Oh, I agree with you 100%! #: 3688 S15/Hot Topics 22-May-90 12:45:31 Sb: #3460-OS9 A/O Uniflex??? Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 To: Steve Sampson N5OWK 75136,626 Steve, Actually, I hope that we can prove you wrong here! Signetics (the manufacturer of our CPU) is very agressive in its OEM pricing for its 68070. Plus, the GNU C compiler has reportedly just been ported to OSK. We are evaluating the possibility of offering this excellent public domain C compiler at cost. Of course, we also need to look at just how solid the port is, and then justify the person-hours involved in fulfulling sales. So you may just be seeing a nice mid-priced computer system that blows away most other systems, and with a pd C compiler that can match features with the best! Paul #: 3689 S15/Hot Topics 22-May-90 12:48:37 Sb: #3533-OS9 A/O Uniflex??? Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 To: Jim Williams 72157,3524 Have you goot William Hawes phone number? Anxious OS-9 person. Paul Ward #: 3681 S15/Hot Topics 22-May-90 12:27:37 Sb: #3544-OS9 A/O Uniflex??? Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 To: Mike Knudsen 72467,1111 Mike, Nah, it's not Pascal. And not to worry about the other languages you mentioned. Things are shaping up nicely here, BTW. I just hope that people can hang on a little longer. We are FINALLY starting a wave a press releases. Paul #: 3682 S15/Hot Topics 22-May-90 12:28:53 Sb: #3551-OS9 A/O Uniflex??? Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 To: Colin Smith 73777,1360 Colin, Well, you can always sell off parts of your other computer systems bit-by-bit! If you're like me, you have a CoCo 3 or two, a CoCo 2 or two, a MultiPak or two, and an extra printer. You could probably sell that stuff and almost get an MM/1 FREE! Paul #: 3687 S15/Hot Topics 22-May-90 12:41:47 Sb: #3449-#OS9 A/O Uniflex??? Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 To: Colin Smith 73777,1360 Colin, Software support announcements are due to arrive next week. Support announcements in general are due to arrive this week. Prices will be announced within three weeks -- the only holdup is negotiations with ONE company. You see, I won't be happy until I can throw in $700 worth of software FREE with a $700 computer. Just receieved the latest offer from this company over the weekend, and we hope to iron things out by mid-June. Thanks for the interest! Paul There is 1 Reply. #: 3696 S15/Hot Topics 22-May-90 14:05:07 Sb: #3687-OS9 A/O Uniflex??? Fm: Richard Ries 76057,3534 To: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 PAUL- COULD YOU SEND INFO ON THE MM/1? SEND IT TO ME AT: RJR SYSTEMS PO BOX 560 COPIAGUE, NY 11726-0560 THANKS A LOT, RICH RIES. (SORRY ABOUT THE CAPS, I'M USING A 16K COCO2 WITH COMPAC!!) #: 3690 S15/Hot Topics 22-May-90 12:50:50 Sb: #3504-OS9 A/O Uniflex??? Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 To: Steve Sampson N5OWK 75136,626 Well, UniFlex in volume is very nicely priced. Paul #: 3684 S15/Hot Topics 22-May-90 12:32:32 Sb: #3555-OS9 A/O Uniflex??? Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 To: Mark Wuest 74030,332 (X) Mark, Actually, Mark, most of our target market for data acq already does a good deal of work on systems that use large RAM storage. Seems a pity, considering how useful OS-9 in small configurations. I wouldn't worry about the OS choice, though. It'll be the one most asked for here. Paul #: 3594 S15/Hot Topics 19-May-90 12:35:37 Sb: #3433-#OS9 A/O Uniflex??? Fm: James Jones 76257,562 To: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 (X) I guess the question is--how Unix-like is it? It may have changed in the five years since I actually saw anything about it, but from what I did see back then, UniFlex looked different enough from Unix that the Unix-worshippers would turn their noses up at it. By now you may have already seen the BITNET messages saying something like "MINIX?!? Are you crazy?" MINIX is good for what it was intended for, i.e. a pedagogical tool, but aside from that...I've yet to hear from anyone using it in a production environment. There are 2 Replies. #: 3605 S15/Hot Topics 19-May-90 19:34:40 Sb: #3594-OS9 A/O Uniflex??? Fm: Steve Sampson N5OWK 75136,626 To: James Jones 76257,562 (X) It's safe to assume that anything that says "Unix-like" usually refers to the file system. From there it get's pretty different from the real thing. UniFlex is no different than Unix in its file system (ie, Inodes, etc) but it has so many differences as to be also MS-DOS-like, OS-9-like, or "you name it -like". "Unix-like" is a sales tool, which means nothing really. #: 3685 S15/Hot Topics 22-May-90 12:37:31 Sb: #3594-#OS9 A/O Uniflex??? Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 To: James Jones 76257,562 (X) James, Good points, both -- UNIFlex is actually very MUCH like UNIX now. Also, MINIX is in demand at universities for pedagogy, as you mention, and to SELL MINIX is easier than to SELL OS-9. However, one of the main reasons that other OSes are being considered is that many purchasers may simply need a choice -- whether or not they actually USE two or more operating systems on the same computer is up to them. Personally, I would push OS-9 on them by tailoring it to their needs. OS-9 can be made to look much more UNIX-y than it does now. Paul There is 1 Reply. #: 3708 S15/Hot Topics 22-May-90 19:27:28 Sb: #3685-OS9 A/O Uniflex??? Fm: James Jones 76257,562 To: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 That's true--and as Feds start writing POSIX into their RFPs, there will be quite a bit of incentive to make it look like Unix. #: 3593 S10/Tandy CoCo 19-May-90 12:32:20 Sb: #3417-C arrays Fm: James Jones 76257,562 To: Jeff Dege 76426,211 (X) That's for darned sure--especially what with X3J11 going for "value preserving" widening, while Harbison and Steele (and evidently various existing compilers) going for "unsigned preserving" widening! #: 3595 S15/Hot Topics 19-May-90 12:42:10 Sb: #3509-#That Darn Computer! Fm: James Jones 76257,562 To: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 (X) Make that Vogon poetry, and I'd agree with you. The above, needless to say, is purely my personal opinion!!! :-) :-) :-) There is 1 Reply. #: 3686 S15/Hot Topics 22-May-90 12:38:38 Sb: #3595-That Darn Computer! Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 To: James Jones 76257,562 (X) James, How refreshing to hear that a C programmer finds C a little alien! BTW, I appreciate your personal opinions VERY MUCH. Keep it comin. Paul #: 3693 S15/Hot Topics 22-May-90 13:10:00 Sb: #3532-#That Darn Computer! Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 To: Jim Williams 72157,3524 (X) Jim, May not be necessary. Just buy an MM/1 as a remote terminal. Won't need a local floppy, just the boards, a portable case, the MM/1 CPU board, and for about the price of an Amiga 1000, you've got a topnotch graphics terminal especially with a client/server windowing system. Paul There is 1 Reply. #: 3698 S15/Hot Topics 22-May-90 16:04:23 Sb: #3693-#That Darn Computer! Fm: Jim Williams 72157,3524 To: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 Well... yeah, that occurred to me right after I left the message. You must mean an A500, tho, since CBM has (yet again :) discontinued the A1000... Got the 'grand tour' of Microware today... some of it was pretty impressive... Some of it was d*mned impressive :). James Jones (my tour guide ) showed me this nifty little Sharp 68000 import running OS/9 68000 v2.2. While the windowing system looked very impressive, it appeared to have one or two features I didn't care for (auto-window-to-front, for example)... I only mention that becuase it gives me an excuse to suggest that you/kevin let me take a lookit the gui for the Millenium before its released (even a GIF pic, if I don't have one by then). A book James gave me ("OS/9 Sourcebook"), lists a bunch of software titles for OS/9... unfortunately, I didn't see, in a brief look-see, any graphics oriented or entertainment oriented titles (other than some GKS stuff)... That's where I plan on concentrating my area of development, regardless of what OS I use... --Eet-- There is 1 Reply. #: 3702 S15/Hot Topics 22-May-90 17:44:41 Sb: #3698-That Darn Computer! Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 To: Jim Williams 72157,3524 Jim - there's been very few gfx-oriented OS9 machines around up 'til lately (except overseas). So you'll have a wide-open market as far as entertainment programs go. Think of it as being the first year of Amigas being out... Glad you got to visit with JJ! Talk atcha later - kev #: 3602 S15/Hot Topics 19-May-90 13:18:46 Sb: #3498-#That Darn Computer! Fm: TONY CAPPELLINI 76370,2104 To: Mike Knudsen 72467,1111 Mike I was thrilled when I found outI could strap on a terminal on my serial port and have a multi-user system. I really did it just to see what it was like, I don't have a need for a multi-user environment, but I like to to the PC people, and MAC peopleI work with. The only problem I had (I used a WYSE 50 terminal) when I hooked up the terminal was that when I typed a cr and certain other characters, my shell locked up. I tried emulating (thorugh the terminal only) all the different types of terms the WY-50 could, and some were worse than others. But It was an interesting experience. Multi-user, multi-tasking on a computer that is just a little over o foot long, and costs $128-$200. That aint no TRASH-80 ! Can't wait for the MM1, and this new version of OS9 for the coco3. I'll be bragging like theres no tomorrow. There are several people I work with (all software engineers) that want to see my coco3 system now. But I am trying to hold off and wait for the new os-9 package, so It will really blow there socks off. There are 2 Replies. #: 3637 S15/Hot Topics 20-May-90 23:11:55 Sb: #3602-That Darn Computer! Fm: Mark Griffith 76070,41 To: TONY CAPPELLINI 76370,2104 Tony, Glad to see you are discovering the wonders of this little system. Just as an aside, there is an "expert" at Tandy that stated the UNIX uucp protocol and suit of utilities could not, no way, be done on the CoCo. Ed Gresick has been using his CoCo3 to receive and send store orders with Tandy in Fort Worth for a couple months now using UUCP. Even tho this "expert" has seen this happen, he refuses to believe it. Just shows you how people cannot believe how good this system is. Ed will jump in here is he has more to offer (grin). Mark #: 3645 S15/Hot Topics 21-May-90 10:24:41 Sb: #3602-That Darn Computer! Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 To: TONY CAPPELLINI 76370,2104 Tony - I use WYSE-50's (albeit, on a Gimix... but I have used them on coco2's & coco3's as well). Should be no problems: o - Have you read SERIAL.TXT in DL2? o - Do you have the IRQHAK installed? Pete #: 3679 S15/Hot Topics 22-May-90 12:24:11 Sb: #3536-That Darn Computer! Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 To: Bob Wilkinson 72477,1037 Bob, Thanks for the interest! Will send out information today. paul #: 3692 S15/Hot Topics 22-May-90 13:06:34 Sb: #3465-That Darn Computer! Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X) Actually, Millenium is one of the names we talked about at your place! That and the M/Falcon. Interesting. Well, MM/1 is pretty strongly embedded now, but we've been breaking molds all along, so maybe using Millienium is a good idea, at least as the official nickname! Paul #: 3691 S15/Hot Topics 22-May-90 13:04:50 Sb: #3453-#That Darn Computer! Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 To: TONY CAPPELLINI 76370,2104 Tony, Looks like you sent the message to the wrong guy. You can direct all the New Computer messages to me. The MM/1 will be available late summer -- I mean, we will actually be shipping in quantitiy. The list of features you received is a wish list, but it is also a list of the features that the computer actually has! I have one MM/1 here on my desk, another one in the living room, and there are others sprinkled around the US. We have some small design changes to make, some production costs to deal with, and software licenses to finish up. Then we can announce an official "street price". BTW, we have folks here in Washington who want to put the MM/1 in a hightech showcase full of advanced multimedia computers. Chances are slime they'll want the TC-9 for anything at all, even if they COULD get their hands on one, which they can't. Paul PS. I don't mean to sound down on the TC-9. THe MM/1 is just plain better and is the only choice that will keep our community together for the next five years or more. You should make a list of what you want to get on the TC-9, then ask FHL how much they'll charge you. There is 1 Reply. #: 3706 S15/Hot Topics 22-May-90 19:23:49 Sb: #3691-That Darn Computer! Fm: James Jones 76257,562 To: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 Hmmm..."chances are slime," you say? #: 3680 S15/Hot Topics 22-May-90 12:25:39 Sb: #3539-#That Darn Computer! Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 To: Mike Knudsen 72467,1111 Mike, Well, you know that most of this talk about UNIFlex is really not worth worrying about. You will have an OS that makes you feel COMPLETELY at home (wink). Paul There is 1 Reply. #: 3707 S15/Hot Topics 22-May-90 19:24:37 Sb: #3680-That Darn Computer! Fm: James Jones 76257,562 To: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 Hmmm...since Dr. K. works where I used to work, that is somewhat of a scary thought for me. #: 3597 S3/Languages 19-May-90 12:49:36 Sb: #3472-#F$Fork Fm: James Jones 76257,562 To: GLEN HATHAWAY 71446,166 (X) Can't have two files in the same directory with the same name...you'll have to do one of two things: 1. create the new file with a different name, and delete the original and rename the new one when the smoke clears. 2. (works ONLY in cases like this, where the output is guaranteed no longer than the input) have *two* paths open to the same file, one for input and one for output, and update the file in place. (of course, only works on disks, too!) As a fatter of mact, I wrote a LF-wiper that took option 2 (avoids fancy delete/rename footwork). (Of course, you'll need to set the file size at the end, so keep track of how many bytes you write, or alternatively, count how much you delete and subtract that from the file length, giving a new file length to set!) I may have uploaded the silly thing. (Sad to say, I had to be prodded about option 2 as well--I raise the cola can to Peter Dibble in salute!) There are 3 Replies. #: 3617 S3/Languages 20-May-90 02:03:22 Sb: #3597-F$Fork Fm: GLEN HATHAWAY 71446,166 To: James Jones 76257,562 (X) Hi James... I uploaded the program (using Option 1) as strip.ar. Option 2 sounds interesting, though. Think I'll play with it. Thanks... #: 3646 S3/Languages 21-May-90 10:27:04 Sb: #3597-#F$Fork Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 To: James Jones 76257,562 (X) JJ- Rather than count bytes, why not _gs_size() then _ss_size at the end? Might be simpler? Just a nit.... Pete There is 1 Reply. #: 3660 S3/Languages 21-May-90 19:12:38 Sb: #3646-#F$Fork Fm: James Jones 76257,562 To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X) True--but you'd at least have to count the number of characters you deleted, since you'd have updated the file in place. Hard to say what's better, since it's not hard to do either one. There is 1 Reply. #: 3673 S3/Languages 22-May-90 10:59:37 Sb: #3660-F$Fork Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 To: James Jones 76257,562 (X) JJ - Count deleted characters? Not if you do the _gs_pos/_ss_size when finished operating on the i$write path, eh? Pete #: 3647 S3/Languages 21-May-90 10:27:51 Sb: #3597-#F$Fork Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 To: James Jones 76257,562 (X) Whoops - That was supposed to be _gs_pos() then _ss_size(). Pete There is 1 Reply. #: 3661 S3/Languages 21-May-90 19:13:36 Sb: #3647-#F$Fork Fm: James Jones 76257,562 To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X) Ah--that's very different then! (I can't do an Emily Litella imitation to save my life.) That would be rather cleaner, wouldn't it? Good idea! There is 1 Reply. #: 3674 S3/Languages 22-May-90 11:00:23 Sb: #3661-F$Fork Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 To: James Jones 76257,562 (X) Oops - okay... we're in sync now. Great! Pete #: 3598 S9/Utilities 19-May-90 12:52:45 Sb: #3559-#Level Two windows? Fm: James Jones 76257,562 To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X) I don't recall the name, but I'm sure that one can find an ad for it in any *68 Micro Journal* of the past couple or three years. There is 1 Reply. #: 3614 S9/Utilities 20-May-90 00:59:03 Sb: #3598-#Level Two windows? Fm: Wendell Benedetti 72766,2605 To: James Jones 76257,562 (X) James (&Kevin) I found it: Virtual Terminal by South East Media - for Standard and Coco OS-9. Thanks. Wendell P.S. (Kevin: so it's Dammed Yankees now? (grin)) There is 1 Reply. #: 3619 S9/Utilities 20-May-90 04:34:53 Sb: #3614-Level Two windows? Fm: James Jones 76257,562 To: Wendell Benedetti 72766,2605 (X) Re Southern vocabulary: my understanding is that it's always been one word: damnyankee. (I may not have the spelling right, though.) #: 3599 S14/misc/info/Soapbox 19-May-90 12:57:29 Sb: #The Return of the Native Fm: James Jones 76257,562 To: All "I'm *BACK*....I'm *BACK* in the saddle again..." --Aerosmith, or was that Gene Autry? My apologies if I've missed messages addressed to me. Moving (a whole block and a half, but still with all the hassle!) has kept me offline for a week or so. (It woulda been less, but I had to assemble the desk for the computer to sit on, and I'm going to trudge off and buy a decent chair once I log off! :-) So...I'm back (but now among the landed gentry). Good to see you folks again. There is 1 Reply. #: 3623 S14/misc/info/Soapbox 20-May-90 09:38:07 Sb: #3599-The Return of the Native Fm: Wayne Day 76703,376 To: James Jones 76257,562 (X) Glad to know the transporter worked, James... welcome back! #: 3600 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK) 19-May-90 12:58:55 Sb: GNU C for OSK Fm: James Jones 76257,562 To: All Greetings! News just come from USENET--the mods to the GNU C compiler to make it work and generate code for OS-9/68000 have been submitted to comp.sources.misc on USENET--so keep your eyes peeled. #: 3601 S10/Tandy CoCo 19-May-90 13:08:31 Sb: #3464-#Fastgraf / Bounce.ar Fm: TONY CAPPELLINI 76370,2104 To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X) Thanx for the info. But if I can't format a floppy in a 512k system with my applications running, why would I (or anyone else) want to add another 512 and still not be able to format a floppy, due to the fact that the system area was depleted ?? My hats off to you, Tony, and all others for making the 512k add on possible, but I can't see what good it is at the moment. Tony There is 1 Reply. #: 3611 S10/Tandy CoCo 19-May-90 23:00:47 Sb: #3601-Fastgraf / Bounce.ar Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 To: TONY CAPPELLINI 76370,2104 (X) Tony, For a long time now, I've simply formatted floppies when I cranked up the system, or sometimes killed off a few shells until I could do a format. But that's rare, because I mostly use the ramdisk and harddisk. The extra 512K, while not helping with the format thing, does allow you to open far more gfx windows and preload LOTS of program modules... besides having a nice-sized ramdisk if you wish. This makes everything flow a lot easier. best - kev #: 3603 S10/Tandy CoCo 19-May-90 13:35:11 Sb: #Window Problems Fm: TONY CAPPELLINI 76370,2104 To: LUTE MULLENIX 70721,2230 (X) I am trying to modify my startup file so that it will start up some windows before I start up multi-vue. This is so I can kill mult-vue, and still have windows going. After I did the following iniz /w7 display 1b21 /w7 shell i=/w7& my system hung up every time it executed the display 1b21 line. When I start up my mv window I do the same thing, display 1b21 /w1 so I can see MV start up, right after the window is created. Can anybody help me with this. My goal is to create several windows before MV starts up, and be able to jump (display 1b21) to each window before or after I start a shell in them (doesn't matter to me) just so I can see them being created, and then jump into my MV window and continue as always. I can never seem to create windows easily. The info in the Rainbow Guide to Level II doesn't seem to work without errors. Thanx for the help Tony There are 2 Replies. #: 3608 S10/Tandy CoCo 19-May-90 21:38:57 Sb: #3603-Window Problems Fm: LUTE MULLENIX 70721,2230 To: TONY CAPPELLINI 76370,2104 (X) Tony: I'm not really the guy to ask on this one, I use MultiVue very little. When I do, I just let it start up off the disk, iniz windows as I use them. On my LII system disk, I start up /term, /w1, /w2. This is all I ever use, so I don't use up memory by keeping the other discriptors in memory. For them I just use the "wcreate" wcreate /w1 -s=7 0 0 80 24 9 1 1 Or what ever, then shell i=/w1&. From what I understand, iniz should do about the same thing, except give you the default windows. You should maybe ask Kevin Darling, or Pete Lyall about this, I do a little hacking, and patching, but let guys like them tell me what to do. >Lute< #: 3622 S10/Tandy CoCo 20-May-90 09:04:09 Sb: #3603-#Window Problems Fm: Bruce MacKenzie 71725,376 To: TONY CAPPELLINI 76370,2104 You need to do a DWSet to get your windows up and running. Try: iniz w1 display 1b 20 7 0 0 50 18 0 1 1 >/w1 shell i=/w1& Do not try to select the new window in the startup file as this will cause the procedure to hang. I think this is because the select causes the original shell to loose the input file when standard input is reset to the keyboard of the new window There is 1 Reply. #: 3638 S10/Tandy CoCo 20-May-90 23:12:26 Sb: #3622-#Window Problems Fm: Mark Griffith 76070,41 To: Bruce MacKenzie 71725,376 (X) Bruce, We are trying (have been for a few years now) to get users to not iniz devices using Level II, especially windows. The reason is if they later close the window (stop all processes running on it) and they don't deiniz it, the memory for that window is kept by the system. This could cause some real debugging headaches later on if they run out of memory. In your example (shown below): iniz w1 display 1b 20 7 0 0 50 18 0 1 1 >/w1 shell i=/w1& the user is stuck with an immortal shell on /w1 and the window memory is locked in until they specifically kill the shell and deiniz the window device. Your example is fine tho, in that to send the display codes to the window and have them "take", it either has to be iniz'ed or a path has to be opened to that device. A better way would be something like this: (display 1b 20 2 0 0 50 18 0 2 2;ex shell)<>>>/w& This command starts a shell on the next available window, does the DWSET, and then starts another shell. Once the second shell is started, the first one dies. So, a path is be opened on the device the whole time and the DWSET works. As an added bonus, when the shell on that window dies, the window goes away and the memory is returned. If you wanted to, you can set this command line up in your execution directory and call it "window" or something like that. Then all you need to do is enter that command and the window is created. You can also do this to create different types of windows, and call the commands "g80" or "g40" to make 80 and 40 columns graphics windows. Mark There are 2 Replies. #: 3641 S10/Tandy CoCo 21-May-90 00:12:31 Sb: #3638-Window Problems Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 To: Mark Griffith 76070,41 (X) I'm glad you brought that up (not hardcoding windows). Meant to do it. thx! #: 3656 S10/Tandy CoCo 21-May-90 17:23:51 Sb: #3638-#Window Problems Fm: Bruce MacKenzie 71725,376 To: Mark Griffith 76070,41 (X) Good point about the iniz. If the window is iniz'd when you direct output to it anyway, there's no need to do it explicitly. Tony was trying to set up a shell in a window from the MV startup file so an immortal shell is appropriate I think. Personally, I've set up an AIF to call up a shell in an 80 col window. That way I'm not locked into having a shell up if I don't need it. While we're on the subject of deiniz, do you have any idea why it's so hard to get rid of a ram disk (the one from the developement pac)? It usually takes a number of deiniz's to get the memory back. To ease things I call a procedure file having around 10 deiniz's. This does the job but occassionally will cause the system to hang. There are 2 Replies. #: 3659 S10/Tandy CoCo 21-May-90 18:53:55 Sb: #3656-#Window Problems Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 To: Bruce MacKenzie 71725,376 (X) Bruce - each time you use "/r0" in a pathname the "User Count" (see output of the DDir utility) goes up. A deiniz takes it down by one, so you gotta do it until you hit zero users. Oops. dinnertime. later- kev There is 1 Reply. #: 3703 S10/Tandy CoCo 22-May-90 17:45:21 Sb: #3659-#Window Problems Fm: Bruce MacKenzie 71725,376 To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X) User count? Is this the same as the link count? There is 1 Reply. #: 3704 S10/Tandy CoCo 22-May-90 17:54:54 Sb: #3703-Window Problems Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 To: Bruce MacKenzie 71725,376 Bruce - no. Link count is what you see with an Mdir. That's the count of links to a module. The user count shown in Ddir (or Devs, if under OSK), is the count of "users" of a particular device. It goes up when a file is opened, down when a file is closed. However, at least under L-II it only goes upward (never down) when you do a CHD or CHX using a device's name. This count is used to figure out when a device's init/terminate routines should be called (that is, on first use, and when last use ends). The "iniz" and "deiniz" commands artificially inc/dec this count, just as "link" and "unlink" do for modules. #: 3664 S10/Tandy CoCo 21-May-90 22:03:08 Sb: #3656-Window Problems Fm: Mark Griffith 76070,41 To: Bruce MacKenzie 71725,376 (X) Bruce, You could do an immortal shell in the command line example I gave also. I think, tho, that you would have to redirect the output to standard out since you can't explicitly give the window device name. Something like ";ex shell i=/2"?? I never tried it. On unlinking the ramdisk....Kevin gave you the reason. There is a utility floating around someplace in the data libraries called "unload". All it does is repeatedly call unlink until an error occurs. This effectively unlinks any module in memory, no matter how many link counts there are. Mark #: 3606 S10/Tandy CoCo 19-May-90 19:47:22 Sb: #Dynastar Fm: Denise Tomlinson 71021,3274 To: all Can someone who's familar with Dynastar tell me what is wrong? I can't print a file to my /p When DF is called, it gives a "error in printing detected, press ESC" I have searched the manual for a clue but don't see it. My printer is set up for autolinefeed. I have a Gemini SG10, out of the bit port at 9600 baud I can exit DS and at the os9 prompt, list a file to the printer with no problem, so the hardware seems to be correct. Thanks, Denise There is 1 Reply. #: 3648 S10/Tandy CoCo 21-May-90 10:34:36 Sb: #3606-Dynastar Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 To: Denise Tomlinson 71021,3274 Denise - I don't know which version of DS/DF you're using ... I use an early version that was unbelieveably enough done in interpreted Pascal. A few prelim questions first? o - Does the printer work other than with DF? o - Has DF ever worked? o - Are you running one of the newer versions of DS/DF (written in C)? o - What else are you running at the same time? o - Try INIZ'ing your printer from your startup file also.. Pete #: 3607 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK) 19-May-90 20:48:48 Sb: #OS9 for Embedded System? Fm: Charles H. Murray 73707,1752 To: all I am in the process of designing a small embedded system and was interested in using OS-9 on a 68000 microprocessor. I have some implementation questions for those of you out there with considerable experience with OS-9. 1. What are the memory requirements for running OS-9 on a 68000? (i.e. Will it fit in 64K, 32K, what?) 2. I was planning on using a Sun 3/80 for developement, is this OK? 3. How about a brief description of OS-9 with regards to multitasking, interprocess communications, device driver implementation, etc. This software will have to interface to some analog and digital sensors and some communications equipment (i.e. modems, terminals) I have developed many embedded systems from 8 bit processors programmed with assembly and FORTH, to VMEbus computers running various realtime kernels, but I have yet to venture into the OS-9 arena. Any help on any or all of these questions will be greatly appreciated. Charlie - Washington, D.C. There are 2 Replies. #: 3610 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK) 19-May-90 22:04:09 Sb: #3607-OS9 for Embedded System? Fm: James Jones 76257,562 To: Charles H. Murray 73707,1752 (X) A Sun 3 for development? Should be OK as far as I know--there are tools for debugging code from a Unix system across Ethernet on an OS-9/68K system, even. Probably the best thing to do for a brief description would be to call up Microware (515-224-1929, 9-5 on weekdays) and ask for a copy of the *OS-9 Catalog*, which gives an overview of the operating system. I think that they'll send you a copy for free. #: 3618 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK) 20-May-90 02:21:29 Sb: #3607-OS9 for Embedded System? Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 To: Charles H. Murray 73707,1752 (X) Hi Charles. From a Microware file I got a while back... The Host system for porting may be: a. A 68000-based computer with 256K RAM and OS-9/68000. b. A VAX computer running UNIX/BSD 4.2 or VMS. c. A SUN 3 Workstation running UNIX/BSD 4.2. The Target (embedded) system requires: a. A 68000 family CPU. b. At least 64K RAM. c. At least 16K ROM capacity. Alternatively, use an emulator with 16K of overlay memory. d. Two serial I/O ports; one for a terminal and one for communications with the host system. I think once you get it ported over, you can drop back the RAM. At the same time, the ROM will need to go up to around 32K, as now you'll burn in the whole OS (original ROM holds a debugger to help porting). You can also drop the serial ports, of course. Hmmm. You can get by with (1) during porting, I think also. I could be far off here. Anyway, as you go along you can ROM each application, and OS-9 will find it automatically on the next restart (or you can load into RAM on the fly, of course). Wait. Let me look on my system: kernel is 25K; a serial port manager and driver maybe 4K total. System RAM use maybe 8-12K on startup? That doesn't count any shells or apps or more drivers, of course. OS-9 may be slightly larger than other realtime kernels, because it's a more full-fledged OS. You could easily switch to doing development on your target if you wished (and added some mass storage). For far better and later details, call Microware at 515-224-1929. And, if you wish, do a "GO MSC" here on CIS and download the files on OS-9 from the Microware Systems Corp (msc) display area. Loads of info there. You'll find stuff on IPC, multitasking, etc. Drivers are pretty easy to write. Be sure to also read their "Pipelines" newsletter there. Judging from what I've been told by others with your same background, you'll enjoy working with OS-9 quite a bit. best - Kevin #: 3609 S10/Tandy CoCo 19-May-90 21:40:36 Sb: #Shell+ Fm: LUTE MULLENIX 70721,2230 To: 76703,4230 (X) Pete, Where can I find Shell+, and what will it do for me? >Lute< There are 2 Replies. #: 3643 S10/Tandy CoCo 21-May-90 10:18:32 Sb: #3609-Shell+ Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 To: LUTE MULLENIX 70721,2230 (X) Lute, I believe shell+ is here in either DL9 or DL10. It may be in Ipatch format (i.e. patches to the original shell), in which case you'll also need the 'PATCH.AR' programs in either DL9 or 10. Pete #: 3649 S10/Tandy CoCo 21-May-90 10:37:06 Sb: #3609-Shell+ Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 To: LUTE MULLENIX 70721,2230 (X) Lute - Shell plus also adds some enhanced scripting capabilities (very handy), as well as separate CMD directories (an execution path option), as well as a host of other conveniences that should have been in there from the beginning. A neat tool. Wish I could run it on the Gimix (it's unfortunately Coco3 specific)... Pete #: 3612 S15/Hot Topics 19-May-90 23:03:44 Sb: #3570-#Tomcat Computer Fm: Frank Hogg 70310,317 To: Gene Grecheck 74206,643 Will do, thanks for asking. Frank There is 1 Reply. #: 3678 S15/Hot Topics 22-May-90 12:18:55 Sb: #3612-Tomcat Computer Fm: MOTD Editor..Bill Brady 70126,267 To: Frank Hogg 70310,317 Frank, Tomcat looks good from here. (Rx'd the brochure). Next go 'round you might was to make it clear that the basic TC is (or is not) the same as a CoCo 3. (+++ #: 3668 S15/Hot Topics 22-May-90 03:57:15 Sb: #2443-Tomcat Computer Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 To: Frank Hogg 70310,317 Frank - From Phil Brown on bitnet: Would you please forward this query to frank? Frank: I just read your Advertisement in the June issue of Rainbow, for the Tomcat. I was quite impressed, and glad you took a full-page . But, as they say, with the answers to questions come more questions. I have pulled out various issues, that I have tried to keep directly related to the Ad. You may want to break up your reply into 2 or more separate replies. For the K-Bus system of OSk: I have heard that the K-bus is only 16-bit. Is this true, and if so, have you any plans to change this? (Since osk is advertised with the K-bus) Does your $300 OSk package come with the C comopiler? How much for it separately? And mainly for the Tomcat/TC9 : It was said that the TC9 is "K-bus compatible". Does that mean that it is possible to add on a K-bus, or does one come with it? (aside: How about 1.2/1.4 Meg flopies?) You stated that the TC9 could use a 68000 board as a co-processor. Would that be in some ways automatic, or is it up to us to make our programs take advantage of this? Similarly, What configurations are possible? TC9 and TWO 68000 boards? TC9 and perhaps a CoCoIII? Would TC9 and a 68030 be better than TC9 + 68000? Since a 68000 can use TC9 as a slave board, can a 68030 use a 68000 board? If you can have multiple TC9s, how about multiple 68000 boards? You said that the joystick res has been increased to 256. How will this affect a high-res joystick interface? Is there any way to get 640 by XXX joystick res WITHOUT using a hi-res interface? Will it be possible to use a logitech, or optical, "digital" mouse, under OS9? (since it will have "real" serial ports now) How about no-halt disk operations, under OS9, without a 68000 board? You mentioned that under OSk, with the 68000 board as main CPU, the TC9 would be "a multi-function graphics co-processor". You didn't mention anything about the graphics board I have heard about here! Does the TC9 have increased res. over the CoCo III? #: 3615 S7/Telecommunications 20-May-90 01:19:53 Sb: #Modem Problems Fm: TONY CAPPELLINI 76370,2104 To: ALL Ok. I've made the change. A lot of people have been telling me to change to osterm. I have, and It is a very good program. Way to go Vaughn! But I have been plagued by a problem that I thought was due to Telstar, but still shows up under osterm 2.08. When I try to dial a local BBS #, my modem will not dial. It receives the codes because I can see the lights fl ash on the modem. But it won't dial. I have dialed this service, and a long distance bbs just a few minutes ago. I must admit I did have a problem dialing CIS this time. I am borrowing another rs232 pak now, so I t doesn't look like that is the problem. My MPI is modified. I am using a 1200 baud radio shack modem . I did notice that the 2 bbs's that I had problems dialing used 7 bit data, and the long distance bbs used 8 bit. Can a modem be sensitive to certain phone #'s. It seems like the only thing it can be is the modem. ANny ideas ? There is 1 Reply. #: 3650 S7/Telecommunications 21-May-90 10:39:17 Sb: #3615-Modem Problems Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 To: TONY CAPPELLINI 76370,2104 Tony - Biggest questions are: a) Is the RS232 pak in slot 1 in the multipak? b) Do you have the IRQ Hack installed. Also - if you haven't scanned SERIAL.TXT in DL2, it's worth reading. Pete #: 3616 S10/Tandy CoCo 20-May-90 01:25:21 Sb: #Selecting windows Fm: TONY CAPPELLINI 76370,2104 To: Kevin Darling I have been trying to start up several windows outside of MV so I can kill MV without having to kill my other procs. In my startup file I tried the following iniz /w7 display 1b21 /w7 shell i=/w7 & I wanted to be able to see the windows as they are being created. I am using a similar method to start up my MV window and that works. But when I try the lines above, my system hangs when it executes the display 1b21 /w# from a script, and it is not needed on the cmd. line. Is this true ? Why did my startup file hang up on that line ? Thanx TC There is 1 Reply. #: 3633 S10/Tandy CoCo 20-May-90 20:18:35 Sb: #3616-Selecting windows Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 To: TONY CAPPELLINI 76370,2104 Tony, Yes, you're right about using the /w7 /w7; echo WINDOW SEVEN >/w7 display 1b21 /w8; echo WINDOW EIGHT >/w8 display 1b21 /w8& Notes: 1. After you Select another window, you have to make it your std input in order to cause another Select to take. 2. You can't have a program waiting on input from the Window you're Selecting or DeSelecting. Unless you want to wait your turn at input of course... and that's one reason your script might hang. So start programs last. 3. Your descriptors had better have been Wmode'd (WMODE.AR Lib 10) to default as separate windows, or you'll hang. Term, W1, W4 and W7 come that way stock. Or use wcreate or DWSET (1b20 etc etc) to set the window type on the fly). Keep asking until things get clearer. Glad to help if possible! - kev #: 3628 S7/Telecommunications 20-May-90 14:33:27 Sb: #Help Fm: Butch Mooney 76702,1126 To: ALL Hi, Having trouble getting 0S9 Level II to work with Wiz. It seems that the Multi-Pak, RS232-Pak, and modem are problem. I can't communicate with the modem. The MPI has been upgraded and all slots work. The RS232=Pak has been checked and is operating fine. So I must be doing something wrong. What have I missed that would not let the computer communicate with the modem (a Multi-Tech 224E Hayes compatible). The Pak is in slot 1. Thanks, Butch 76702,1126 There are 2 Replies. #: 3651 S7/Telecommunications 21-May-90 10:42:23 Sb: #3628-#Help Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 To: Butch Mooney 76702,1126 (X) Butch - It seems to be the day for serial troubles. If you haven't already looked, have a gander at SERIAL.TXT in DL2. Also, try one of the other term programs here that doesn't require its own device driver (i.e. Xcom9, Sterm, etc. in DL7). Pete There is 1 Reply. #: 3671 S7/Telecommunications 22-May-90 09:23:09 Sb: #3651-#Help Fm: Butch Mooney 76702,1126 To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X) Hi Pete, Thanks for the info. I will DL the file. Someone has told me that the light on my modem need to be on and it isn't. So I will check in to this and see if that is the problem. Thanks, Butch There is 1 Reply. #: 3675 S7/Telecommunications 22-May-90 11:01:18 Sb: #3671-Help Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 To: Butch Mooney 76702,1126 Butch - very true.... because of the design, the CD line must be active to the RS232 pak in order to function properly. I'll bet that's it. Pete #: 3669 S7/Telecommunications 22-May-90 08:24:07 Sb: #3628-#Help Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 To: Butch Mooney 76702,1126 (X) Butch, You don't mention it, but let me ask: Doesn't Wiz require it's own special aciapak driver? Have you installed this and created a new bootfile? Steve There is 1 Reply. #: 3672 S7/Telecommunications 22-May-90 09:33:38 Sb: #3669-#Help Fm: Butch Mooney 76702,1126 To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X) Hi Steve, Someone has told me that I need the light on for OS9 to work. At this time it only comes on when I have a connect. If this is correct then this must be the problem. I guess I need to find out how to force the to be on all the time. I sounds good to me. I know that the computer was not communicating thru the MPI to the RS-232Pak. Does this sound right? I am a end user, I just do what I have to to make it work. This is the hard way to go with OS9, but my computer knowledge is very limited. Thanks, Butch There is 1 Reply. #: 3711 S7/Telecommunications 22-May-90 20:45:30 Sb: #3672-Help Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 To: Butch Mooney 76702,1126 Butch, The rs232 pak _requires_ Data Set Ready (DSR), Data Carrier Detect (DCD) and Clear to send (CTS) lines to be held high. This can be accomplished in different ways. If your modem is capable ...that's the easiest. Investigate the &C and &D commands. Another way would be to jumper line 6-8-20 together. Either will generally work. Steve #: 3629 S3/Languages 20-May-90 14:34:00 Sb: #3350-#BASIC09 Help Fm: Colin Smith 73777,1360 To: Floyd Resler 72500,2572 (X) Could someone please tell me a quick and easy way to check a screen position and find out what it contains? I'm writing a text-type pong game and I need to check for collisions. Any help is appreciated! ---Colin There is 1 Reply. #: 3632 S3/Languages 20-May-90 17:06:07 Sb: #3629-BASIC09 Help Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 To: Colin Smith 73777,1360 Colin - this on a text screen? - kev #: 3630 S1/General Interest 20-May-90 15:08:21 Sb: #2679-help osterm Fm: MOTD Editor..Bill Brady 70126,267 To: Ronald L. Hall 73707,2303 Ronald, WizPro does have YMODEM. (WPXMOD ver 1.9 & above). #: 3634 S7/Telecommunications 20-May-90 20:48:17 Sb: #WizPro Fm: BOB GLAD 71046,1134 To: 70126,267 (X) Bill I downloaded WizPro and I love it. I will soon write for the unabridged version. I do have a problem. I have a friend that has a Disto Super Controller II. I downloaded Proans.bin which I thought was a replacement for your standard ProAcia. He is not planning to use a multipak because he is installing his CoCo in an IBM case. He also has a 4 in 1 board. After making a new bootdisk with Proans.bin substituted, WizPro would run but not communicate with the modem (with no multipak), and would not run WizPro at all with the multipak. Did I download the wrong program or make some other mistake. I don't have the expertise to debug. Any thoughts you have would be greatly appreciated. Trucker Bob P.S. I noticed that the archive downloads were in a different arrangment than noted in the docs. There is no WizPr3.ar and no Nuhost. Was Nuhost deliberately left out or did I miss it somewhere? Thanks in advance. There is 1 Reply. #: 3677 S7/Telecommunications 22-May-90 12:13:24 Sb: #3634-WizPro Fm: MOTD Editor..Bill Brady 70126,267 To: BOB GLAD 71046,1134 Hmmmm. I am not familiar with Proans.bin. That may be for the Eliminator??? To use the supercontroller II all you need to do is patch MWP so that the address for the port is FF54 instead of FF68. With modpatch you just change byte 10 from 68 to 54. On the reupload of pro, I just put it into two files vice 3. Let me know if you need more help. -BB #: 3635 S3/Languages 20-May-90 21:01:16 Sb: #Kreider fseek() bug Fm: David George 72240,134 To: ALL There seems to be a small problem with fseek() in the Kreider library. I am using fseek(fp, --p, 2); to position the file pointer at the end of a file and then back up character by character. I am using this in my TAIL program (which works like the UNIX version). With the Kreider C library I get too many lines. When I ask for 10 it gives me about 20 (not exactly, and it is different for different files). However when I compile it on my Atari running Professional OS9 it works fine. Also when I compile it with the standard CLIB.L on the Coco it works. Also is there any news on the 68K version of the Kreider library. I especially need the password functions for SU and CHOWN. David George 72240,134 There are 2 Replies. #: 3639 S3/Languages 20-May-90 23:12:35 Sb: #3635-#Kreider fseek() bug Fm: Mark Griffith 76070,41 To: David George 72240,134 (X) David, >There seems to be a small problem with fseek() in the Kreider library. >I am using fseek(fp, --p, 2); to position the file pointer at the end >of a file and then back up character by character. Is the variable "p" initilized as a LONG? I use the exact same code in the version of TAIL that I wrote and it works just dandy. Mark There are 2 Replies. #: 3642 S3/Languages 21-May-90 05:43:25 Sb: #3639-#Kreider fseek() bug Fm: James Jones 76257,562 To: Mark Griffith 76070,41 (X) Gee...you caught the mistake I usually make when using fseek(). Wish I had a nickel for each time etc. There is 1 Reply. #: 3665 S3/Languages 21-May-90 22:03:12 Sb: #3642-Kreider fseek() bug Fm: Mark Griffith 76070,41 To: James Jones 76257,562 (X) James, He he....yeah, I'm real careful about that stuff now. Mark #: 3699 S3/Languages 22-May-90 17:26:17 Sb: #3639-Kreider fseek() bug Fm: David George 72240,134 To: Mark Griffith 76070,41 Yes I have p as long ( long p = 0L; ) Did you compile your version of TAIL with the Kreider Clib.l or Microware. I only have the problem with the Kreider Clib David #: 3652 S3/Languages 21-May-90 10:46:03 Sb: #3635-Kreider fseek() bug Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 To: David George 72240,134 (X) David - Interesting problem. I also have a small problem like that in my 'more' program... backing up too far. Try dropping a note directly to Carl on this... (71076,76). Also, I'll have a look a few things here. (I have all the clib sources, but not always the ability to unearth the problems!)... Pete #: 3636 S13/Atari ST 20-May-90 21:04:59 Sb: M$OS9Lvl query Fm: David George 72240,134 To: ALL I am starting to mess around with OSK on my Atari Mega2 (soon to be 4Meg). What I was wondering was if there is anyway to read the Level of OS9 from the INIT module. There is a spot for it (M$OS9Lvl), but I need to know how to read it from within a program written in C. I am running professional OS9 Ver2.2 David George 72240,134 #: 3654 S10/Tandy CoCo 21-May-90 17:13:59 Sb: #Extra owend Fm: PHIL SCHERER 71211,2545 To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X) I am listing the error trap section in a procedure I'm working on. The procedure is called by another procedure which has some overlay windows. In the for/next loop for error 2 and 3 it requires an additional "RUN gfx2("owend")" or the windows in the calling procedure are out of sinc. Does anyone have any idea why?? 9 errno=ERR RUN gfx2("owset",1,12,10,60,3,0,2) RUN gfx2("owset",1,10,9,60,3,2,0) RUN gfx2("curoff") IF errno=216 THEN PRINT PRINT TAB(2); "THERE IS NO FILE IN THE CURRENT DIRECTORY WITH THAT NAME" FOR x=1 TO 30000 NEXT x ENDIF IF errno=2 OR errno=3 THEN PRINT PRINT TAB(8); "TEXT FORMATTING INTERRUPTED" FOR x=1 TO 30000 NEXT x RUN gfx2("owend") ENDIF RUN gfx2("curon") RUN gfx2("owend") RUN gfx2("owend") 10 END There are 2 Replies. #: 3655 S10/Tandy CoCo 21-May-90 17:19:08 Sb: #3654-Extra owend Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 To: PHIL SCHERER 71211,2545 Phil - Your message came out 'helped' by the CIS message formatter.... To save a message like that (tabular format), best bet is to type POST UNFORMATTED or 'su' when saving it. Also - a B09 guru I'm not.. Kev or others are a better choice, but I'll take a look at it when it comes back in from you... Pete #: 3663 S10/Tandy CoCo 21-May-90 20:31:26 Sb: #3654-Extra owend Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 To: PHIL SCHERER 71211,2545 Phil - I assume the program is packed when you run it. An error 2 or 3 could occur at any time while the program is running, but even so, I see no reason why the overlays wouldn't work right.... Well ok, yes. If you had an extra overlay open and hit BREAK, then your error routine needs to go back to the right spot. That's not easy to do, so how about this: keep a variable which you pass around called "overlaycount" or something. Maybe the error routine or your main routine could keep track that way? #: 3662 S5/OS9 Users Group 21-May-90 20:21:02 Sb: #pch Phantomgraph Fm: Chuck Watters 70115,536 To: CWATTERS 70115,536 (X) I am looking for a printer patch to run Phantomgraph on my DMP 200 printer There is 1 Reply. #: 3666 S5/OS9 Users Group 21-May-90 22:03:20 Sb: #3662-pch Phantomgraph Fm: Mark Griffith 76070,41 To: Chuck Watters 70115,536 (X) Chuck, Here is the patch file you asked for (re: DMP200 patch to Phantomgraph) Here are the offsets to patch the DMPTANDY.DRV printer driver to work with a DMP-200. Offset Old New ------ --- --- $019F $40 $32 $01A4 $04 $00 Mark #: 3667 S9/Utilities 22-May-90 03:37:54 Sb: #Help with Shar Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 To: all Help. I downloaded the Shar util, compiled it, and tried to run it on a file with "shar -u unsit.shz". Zippo. Or at worst, wrote a char on the screen. Has anyone used this yet? The ident of my compile is: Header for: shar Module size: $266A #9834 Module CRC: $C4E9D6 (Good) Hdr parity: $64 Exec. off: $001B #27 Data Size: $18B2 #6322 Edition: $02 #2 Ty/La At/Rv: $11 $81 Prog mod, 6809 obj, re-en Thanks! There is 1 Reply. #: 3676 S9/Utilities 22-May-90 11:09:31 Sb: #3667-#Help with Shar Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X) Kevin -0 A 'shar' is just an ascii file... it's a SHELL ARCHIVE that contains both the script and data files to unpack itself. If you had a Unix bourne shell, you'd just unpack it by doing a: /bin/sh The .shz suffix makes me wonder.... there IS no standard suffix for a SHAR file. Also, the 'z' is usually tacked onto something that's been 'compress'ed. Try uncompressing it first (use a compress -d), and then see if it's ASCII. Then try the SHAR tool. Pete P.S. The UNSHAR I have occasionally crashes... dunno if they're the same. There are 2 Replies. #: 3701 S9/Utilities 22-May-90 17:40:32 Sb: #3676-Help with Shar Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X) Pete - thx. I'm trying to undo a file called UNSIT.SHZ from the new uploads section of UNIXFORUM. I'd love to see such a Mac Stuffit file unstuffer available under OS9 (which is what this is supposed to be source for). I'll try compress first. Thx! #: 3705 S9/Utilities 22-May-90 18:04:53 Sb: #3676-#Help with Shar Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X) Pete - ummm, where do I find the Compress util? Can't seem to find one for us. - kev There is 1 Reply. #: 3710 S9/Utilities 22-May-90 19:40:31 Sb: #3705-Help with Shar Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 Kev - Mebbe I'm the only one that has it, although I thought it was here as well. I'll upload it if it's not here.... Pete P.S. Our (os9/6809) compress will only handle 12bit compression... typical unix compression is done at 16 bit... were you aware of that? #: 3670 S1/General Interest 22-May-90 08:37:15 Sb: dead TTX Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 To: Bill Dickhaus 70325,523 (X) Bill, Any life left in that TTX terminal I sent you? My last working unit shot craps last weekend... no doubt the power supply. I now have 7 just like it! :-) Before I ditch the darn things and open up a lot of space in the basement, I may try dropping in an alternate ps. Do you happen to have the voltages written down .. or if it's still breating, could you stick a probe on it? I've got two notes scribbled down ... one shows+5 on the heavy red and black combo, the other + and a - 12 volts. The other note, shows the +5VDC and 24VDC. Details, details . .. they're always getting in the way! Steve #: 3683 S10/Tandy CoCo 22-May-90 12:29:57 Sb: #3552-Pictures Needed Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 To: Dale L. Puckett 71446,736 Dale, Sorry to be out of touch so long .... Give me a call and I'll give you what you need. Paul #: 3694 S14/misc/info/Soapbox 22-May-90 13:13:48 Sb: #3462-Multi-user OS9 BBS Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 To: Michael Wood 71631,340 Mike, You might want to call Ed hathaway at Second City Software. They should be starting work on one soon. Paul #: 3697 S15/Hot Topics 22-May-90 15:04:44 Sb: #Univ BBS Marketing Fm: James D. Denboer 76226,2273 To: All The University of California in Santa Cruz has set up a BBS in the 415 area - 415 524 9625 - with info about their Computer Science Institute that offers short courses this summer in -Unix, C, Networks, Fuzzy Theory, Geographical Information Systems, Fault Tolerant Computing, Technical Writing, and more. Plus free magazines to callers. What I'm wondering is if people would call this BBS - I'm studying the conference and course registration market and see a tremendous slump in registration. What is going on out there - why aren't people registering for conferences? Are corporations not funding this anymore? Would you be someone who would call in for info? Or would you rather request info by easyplex? There is 1 Reply. #: 3709 S15/Hot Topics 22-May-90 19:30:37 Sb: #3697-Univ BBS Marketing Fm: James Jones 76257,562 To: James D. Denboer 76226,2273 Well....those conferences sound quite interesting, but I'm trying to even cut back on my phone bill, much less the charges for seminars, food, lodging, travel, and the like! #: 3700 S3/Languages 22-May-90 17:33:31 Sb: fseek() function Fm: David George 72240,134 To: 71076,76 Carl, I seem to be having a small problem with the fseek() call in your library. When I use fseek(fp, --p, 2) to postion the pointer at the end of a file and read backwards it (fseek) go back to far. This is for the TAIL program. I have compiled successfully on both my Atari with Professional OS9 and with the standard Microware CLIB.L However I like the additional features your lib offers so I use it whenever possible. Also any news on when a 68K version of your CLIB will be available? I especially like the password functions. David George 72240,134 Press !>