read new nonstop follow 88819 25-JUL 07:21 New Uploads RE: AR2 (Re: Msg 88791) From: JEJONES To: SAUSAGESAM > I think you mighta misunderstood me a little. I'm using AR... I think > you're thinking that I'm using a util called compress, unless you are just > comparing the two... No, I understood you. AR uses LZW compression--that's how it manages to shrink stuff (usually--no compression method will work on *everything*) on its way into the archive. Opinions herein are solely those of their respective authors. Clipper Chip: Big Brother Inside -*- 88833 25-JUL 23:09 New Uploads RE: AR2 (Re: Msg 88816) From: DBREEDING To: MITHELEN RE: ar2 not restoring file attribs > Hmm.. sounds like Carl introduce the same "bug" that was in V1.2, that > someone > else corrected for v1.3.... Amazeing none of his beta testers caught I have the beta version but if I noticed, had forgotten. Really, it would be convenient, but we can live without this feature, I suppose, it's not all that hard to run attrib. I believe the OSK version *DOES* restore file attribs, not sure, but, as I said, it's not necessarily a *HAVE TO HAVE* feature, I suppose. -- David Breeding -- CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING *** Sent via CoCo-InfoXpress V1.01 *** ^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^ -*- 88837 25-JUL 23:56 New Uploads RE: AR2 (Re: Msg 88833) From: RANDYKWILSON To: DBREEDING David, I disagree. To a new user, setting the correct attributes is one more major puzzle to be sorted out. It's bad enough having to figure out a foreign archiver. Then you have to shuffle the extracted binary off to a place OS9 will recognize it as runnable. Some took hours, even days, to figure out that they also had to "modify" this new binary. Some never did figure it out... instead giving up in disgust. Geeez, and people are always moaning about the lack of user-friendliness in OS9. Randy -*- 88843 26-JUL 20:51 New Uploads RE: AR2 (Re: Msg 88837) From: DWHILL To: RANDYKWILSON Lha has replaced ar and pak in my system, and it's going to stay that way. I get all the convenience and superior compression with lha; ar and pak are on my hard disk only for backwards compatibility. What was the point of AR2? --Damon -*- 88851 27-JUL 00:50 New Uploads RE: AR2 (Re: Msg 88843) From: SAUSAGESAM To: DWHILL AR2 has 13 bit compression so I think it is suppose to compress better than LHA?? I don't know.. Sorry if I'm wrong (don't get mad!!).. ttyl, Shawn -*- 88853 27-JUL 01:11 New Uploads RE: AR2 (Re: Msg 88851) From: MITHELEN To: SAUSAGESAM Nope, LHa uses much better compression algorithems... I personally don't think the new version will catch on, since lha does a much better job now... The main "nice" thing about AR is, it is reasonably small, and simple to use, and will run on a 64K CoCo. It is something tht can be thrown on a disk to make easier installation of software that is archived on the disk (ie, it will extract the fully directory tree, and, at least with v1.3, will preserve the proper attibutes, not dure about owner ID number though, has been a long time since I have actually used AR) -- Paul -*- 88855 27-JUL 01:36 New Uploads RE: AR2 (Re: Msg 88853) From: SAUSAGESAM To: MITHELEN is there a LHa compress and decompress on here?? -*- 88857 27-JUL 03:13 New Uploads RE: AR2 (Re: Msg 88795) From: JMICHELSON To: DBREEDING Glad you guys figured it out...I was beginning to think I wasted my time in downloading that from Compu$erve and uploading it here. I'll have to check my own shell+ since I still can't archive that big directory I tried to do with AR 2.0. What's the CRC of the shell that will work? Mine is $9EA573... I don't recall doing any patches on it, but I may have a LONG time ago :). -*- 88867 27-JUL 20:03 New Uploads RE: AR2 (Re: Msg 88855) From: MITHELEN To: SAUSAGESAM Yes... look for "lha 2.11c" in new uploads. It works very well.. -- Paul -*- 88884 27-JUL 23:14 New Uploads RE: AR2 (Re: Msg 88837) From: DBREEDING To: RANDYKWILSON > David, I disagree. To a new user, setting the correct attributes is one > more major puzzle to be sorted out. Yes, you're right, really. I'd not thought about that aspect. Guess I'm so used to the "old" way that it just seemed second nature . -- David Breeding -- CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING *** Sent via CoCo-InfoXpress V1.01 *** ^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^ -*- 88885 27-JUL 23:15 New Uploads RE: AR2 (Re: Msg 88857) From: DBREEDING To: JMICHELSON > Glad you guys figured it out...I was beginning to think I wasted my time > in downloading that from Compu$erve and uploading it here. No, it's good to have it here.. > to do with AR 2.0. What's the CRC of the shell that will work? Mine is > $9EA573... I don't recall doing any patches on it, but I may have a LONG > time ago :). Hmm, my shell's different, not sure if I patched it in any way or not. Here's my ident... and if I'm not mistaken, I never patched the 8k Data thing, either. Header for: Shell Module size: $18B3 #6323 Module CRC: $8DF5E1 (Good) Hdr parity: $80 Exec. off: $006E #110 Data Size: $1F00 #7936 Edition: $15 #21 Ty/La At/Rv: $11 $82 Prog mod, 6809 obj, re-en, R/O -- David Breeding -- CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING *** Sent via CoCo-InfoXpress V1.01 *** ^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^ -*- 88892 28-JUL 04:51 New Uploads RE: AR2 (Re: Msg 88885) From: JMICHELSON To: DBREEDING Oh well...I guess we need someone with the most "current" shell (that is sure of that) to post their CRC and tell us where they got the patches :). I have had no problems with mine except for the new Ar 2.0 compressing a whole directory...not just a few individual files. -*- 88897 28-JUL 18:56 New Uploads RE: AR2 (Re: Msg 88892) From: MITHELEN To: JMICHELSON You might have problems with that... There are lots of little patches that can be done to shell+ (the patch files that came with it) to set thing like logging, @ protection, and wildcarding... Yourbest bet might be to dig up your original copy, and do a "cmp" between them to identify the changed bytes. -- Paul -*- End of Thread. -*- 88820 25-JUL 19:46 General Information RE: Chico fest (Re: Msg 88812) From: COLORSYSTEMS To: MRUPGRADE > You evidently didn't read theh "entire message". I said shareware > "user2 as in those who actually use the product on a regular basis" > OF THOSE it is estimated only 10% send in anything,, or theh other 90% > of those "WHO ACTUALLY USE" theh software NEVER SEND IN A DIME! Yes, I did misread that part of your message. People who actually use Shareware on a regular basis should send some money in for it. > I too have PC friends,, over at their hoese I see the piles of photo > coppied doc's,, and as he pulls up a nice term,, he sez,, "one-a-these > daze,, I'm thinking > about sending in the Shareware 10 ro 20 bucks. I believe the 90% figure of non-paying users is probably about right, but I also think that there is also about a 90 to 10 chance that some Shareware you download isn't worth using at all, a basic piece of $#!t that no one would ever consider marketing. IMHO, if a piece of Shareware is not good enough to be sold commercially given enough financial backing then it is not worth sending in the money or even wasting disk space with it. And in the DOS world, those 10% still send in the money. I do. Most of the time, the author is so happy to get the money they send you back better docs and a more fully featured version of the program. And 10% of MILLIONS of users works out to some nice bucks, which is one reason why I am in the slow (I love OS9 too much to make a clean break) process of converting over to Visual C++ programming for Windows and then whatever "Chicago" will be called. > How many ADOS'es are "burned in ROM",, but not a dime paid,, and that's > not even shareware. But I'd call it used,, wouldn't you? Now we're getting into a different area. Burning "free", i.e., Art Flexsor gets no money out of the transaction, copies of ADOS is not merely using Shareware and not paying for it. After all, even with Shareware the author actually only "requests" money be sent in as a "contribution to the cause" (which a lot of the non-paying users use to justify not paying), but ADOS is ONLY legally available as a commercial product. > But most authors will agree with you,, Shareware is at best bettern' > nothing but not by much. Yes, most Shareware is not worth the download time. Some is. When I find good Shareware, I pay for it. ------------------------------------ Zack C Sessions They say, "Money talks". But all mine ever says is, "Goodbye". -*- 88821 25-JUL 19:49 General Information RE: OSK Software (Re: Msg 88804) From: NIMITZ To: CPERRAULT Thanks, Chris, I'll take this into consideration and work on a deal. Also, Kevin Darling plans (very eventually, I suppose) to send me all available versioins of KWindows. Including the Atari version. So, I'm working on making the KWindows package more widely available. David -*- 88822 25-JUL 19:57 General Information RE: Chico fest (Re: Msg 88820) From: MRUPGRADE To: COLORSYSTEMS As for shareware not used,, , I'd be supprised,, if anyone who didn't use it set in money. Or feel expected to. That much we agree on. Actually a little more. It is very satisfying (as author of HOMEPAC V3.1, shareware),, for thehe several who sent in money for thehe full support,, andn later version. Then there was th e guy inm (well out of state),, I wasn't home and called him back,, spend 10 to 15 mins LD,, helping him with theh shareware version. He told me there were four of five in his group who used and liked it.. Probably would be sending foro the upgrade. That was tow years ago,, but (grin) one-a-these-daze.. But hey,, I don't loose any sleep over it. Just glad some do appreciate it. til then Terry Simons Opinions expressed here, are strictly those of the author,, "who`else would come up with such a zanny ideas"? ( -*- 88823 25-JUL 20:46 General Information RE: Chico fest (Re: Msg 88808) From: MRGOOD To: MRUPGRADE Since I don't have a home DOS machine, the PC stuff doesn't interest me much. I occasionally take stuff to work just to try it out. However, since my employer doesn't like to have extraneous software, I delete stuff after I check it out. Hugo -*- 88824 25-JUL 20:49 General Information RE: Chico fest (Re: Msg 88810) From: MRGOOD To: COLORSYSTEMS In my opinion, if it's junk, you shouldn't have the gall to ask for money. However, we are a free capitalist society, if people are willing to pay, more power to the shareware author. I don;t know, maybe I'm being too judgemental, but it really does bother me that every li: ALL Question, I just saw a new peogram called GNG in the database. I read what it said in the description and it said it would run under os9. Will it work on my coco3 with 512k? Thanks Bob -*- 88943 30-JUL 21:14 General Information RE: (Re: Msg 88942) From: MITHELEN To: ROBERT84 (NR) *Output Off* FORUM>Reply, Add, Read, "?" or Exit> r words, he feels that they wanted too much for crap programs. I could call that greed. Unforch there are some "programmers" who expect to make it rich from one program and that program could be written as a homework assignment for a high school computer class. Some also don't support the program even if you send the money. I've been burnt a few times on that. -*- 88827 25-JUL 22:15 General Information RE: OSK Software (Re: Msg 88821) From: WA2EGP To: NIMITZ Can I buy the latest version of K-Windows from you. (Stupid question, I know) -*- 88829 25-JUL 22:26 General Information RE: Chico fest (Re: Msg 88812) From: DBREEDING To: MRUPGRADE > But most authors will agree with you,, Shareware is at best bettern' > nothing but not by much. I'd have to differ here. There's some *REALLY* GOOD shareware out there. I have to admit that I have been a little negligent in a couple of instances, but do try to send in my donations. On the OS9 front, we have OSTerm-could have had some polishing, but quite good. Tim Kientzles's "view"- really good and pretty complete HDKit (I sent my donation but Pete Lyall had moved, messed around and never re-sent)-about as handy as you can get for disk backup. It's true that much shareware doesn't get the follow-up support that a high- paying-upgrade setup would get, but really, most is really cheap in cost. I think you program, you know what is involved in writing a program. I've read in Computer Shopper where the author states that some of the PC software is really giving the high-profile software a really tough run for its money and, in fact, has caused some of these commercial concerns to reorganize their selling structure. I have no gripe with the shareware concept myself. If you get a piece of shareware that you honestly don't or can't use, then just put it aside and you don't have to pay. As for the download cost, I don't think that is much, unless you d/l everything you see . At 2400 baud, you can d/l 100K in what 8-10 mins.? What's that, a buck for online time? I have to pay long distance so what? another buck on weekends? Not too bad, really. Of course, I realize that if you're dealing with PC stuff, you're probably dealing with more than 100K, but that doesn't come to all that much, I don't think. Really, the one who suffers from shareware is the author. There are many well-intentioned people who just don't get around to sending in, and there's a pretty big bunch who d/l everything and never intend to pay anything. -- David Breeding -- CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING *** Sent via CoCo-InfoXpress V1.01 *** ^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^ -*- 88830 25-JUL 23:06 General Information RE: Chico fest (Re: Msg 88824) From: DBREEDING To: MRGOOD > me that every little DOS archive includes a shareware request. It would > be nice if people uploaded stuff from the goodness of their hearts..... Well, not really. It's nice to do, but to write a really good piece of material, and debug it, takes a lot of time. If you do write a good piece of software, I don't see anything wrong in asking for a little compensation for your time, maybe letting you get some more hardware with which to do more or giving you the incentive to improve and enhance what you've already done. -- David Breeding -- CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING *** Sent via CoCo-InfoXpress V1.01 *** ^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^ -*- 88834 25-JUL 23:29 General Information RE: Chico fest (Re: Msg 88830) From: MRGOOD To: DBREEDING Heh, I should have completed my last sentence. Let me try again: "It would be nice if people uploaded stuff from the goodness of their hearts...once in a while. Really, I can understand an author asking for compensation for a decent program. However, if the program is useless or badly written, the author should have the decency to admit it and not ask for money. Hugo -*- 88835 25-JUL 23:37 General Information RE: Chico fest (Re: Msg 88829) From: MRUPGRADE To: DBREEDING Oh,, I'd agree there is some very good Shareware. soem good quality,, and the price is small comararively. And I'd doubt even thh author would expect anyone oto send in money for something he just looked at,, of used once or twice. t one time) used all over the nets. You knew many used it regularly. Talking with Ken theh author,, he agreed with my guess of: 1 in 30 that used it. Yet, he did draw in a few nice bucks,,, I won't repeat how many. Soem of course were mine,, with no requets. Opinions expressed here, are strictly those of the author,, "who else would come up with such a zanny ideas"? -*- 88839 26-JUL 02:48 General Information RE: Chico fest (Re: Msg 88820) From: COCOKIWI To: COLORSYSTEMS What I object to is So called " included in this Package is a FREE version of XXXXXXXXXXX....when you run it you find its a CRIPPLED version of some program someone is selling at HIGH $$$$$$ for the GOOD version! I got a sound Blaster AWE32....$314.00 worth.... with a program called cakewalk Apprentice. nice program! BUT if you want a better version Cakewalk PRO...one pays $200 for it!..and another one is HSC Interactive......Get the FULL retail version for 30% off list and get Audio track library for FREE.....yeah..sure..for only $195.00 .......as if I can afford it!..I just spent $314.00 buying the card! and $195.00 is 30% off???? Dennis -*- 88842 26-JUL 19:01 General Information RE: OSK Software (Re: Msg 88827) From: NIMITZ To: WA2EGP The current update disk can be ordered for $15. I ship within one week generally. David -*- 88844 26-JUL 21:16 General Information RE: OSK Software (Re: Msg 88842) From: WA2EGP To: NIMITZ Yahoo!! Now where is my checkbook.......... -*- 88845 26-JUL 21:40 General Information RE: Chico fest (Re: Msg 88839) From: COLORSYSTEMS To: COCOKIWI > What I object to is So called " included in this Package is a FREE > version of XXXXXXXXXXX....when you run it you find its a CRIPPLED version > of some program someone is selling at HIGH $$$$$$ for the GOOD version! [description of being ripped off trimmed] Yes, that does suck. But, ... I have purchased several things recently, for example a flatbed color scanner and a Colorado Tape backup system for my DOS box. Both of those items came "with software". As it turned out, the scanner came with "Micrografx Picture Publisher LE" (the LE stands for Limited Edition) and the tape backup system came with "Colorado Backup for Windows LITE". Both of these were slightly less functional programs than their full blown big brother versions. They were NOT "crippled". I can scan full color images, use all kinds of GFX editting tools and save the scan to any of several different file types. I can backup files to tape and restore them back. And, indeed both items came with a card to order the "upgrade". And in BOTH cases the upgrade costs SIGNIFICANTLY less than if I simply ordered the product from a retailer. So, I guess it depends on the product and the manufacturer. ------------------------------------ Zack C Sessions If you're not the "lead dog", the scenery never changes. -*- 88846 26-JUL 22:26 General Information RE: Chico fest (Re: Msg 88845) From: MITHELEN To: COLORSYSTEMS I HATE when software is included with hardware products I buy... It means that the price of tha "free" software is burried into the hardware price. This software is useless to me... I have no machine to run it on, so I get stuck paying for something I'l most likely will never be able to use. -- Paul -*- 88874 27-JUL 22:43 General Information RE: OSK Software (Re: Msg 88720) From: CPERRAULT To: JWILKERSON >>Well it seems a lot of the k'ers have forgotten their roots and are now dogging us cocoists mercilessly<< I don't think that's true. There are some situations true, but the OS-k users as a whole aren't doing such a thing. They ARE trying to persuade people who want more updated and supported and POWERFULL software to go to OSK for it rather than have it come to the Coco where it is unlikely to work well. In the process some may sound like they are dogging their roots so to speak, but the intent is to get people focused on where progress lies. If the Coco is still serving your needs, great, stick with it, but when people you want the OSK performance, you need to go OS-k. I myself am still using the Coco and don't plan on ever getting rid of it, even after the day comes that I do go OSK. That day is inevitable as I am already getting anxious to jump into the OSK world where there is a possible future market, unlike the level II dieing market, so I can count on a greater number of quality applications being released, and so that I may someday be able to count on some financial return of any programs I may write and release in the future. Keep in mind, I still have a great respect for the Coco, and always will. As has been stated a million times, it worked wonders compared to the other machines in it's day and still does impressive stuff, BUT the new machines were created with the hope that we would have something better and different to jump to besides the PC's when we had needs that the Coco wasn't capable of meeting. Now we have these machines, and yes a very modest base of apps, but a start nonetheless. I hear from a lot of diehards, about how bad this comunity's going down the tubes because there are things we can only do effectively on the MM/1 and other machines but not the Coco. Isn't this the whole purpose of the new machines? Being a Coco diehard is great, but hopefully we can all learn to realize when we are ready for one of the new machines. This lack of realizing is what drives a lot of the K'ers nuts. >Chris< -*- 88876 27-JUL 22:43 General Information RE: OSK Software (Re: Msg 88821) From: CPERRAULT To: NIMITZ >>Also, Kevin Darling plans (very eventually, I suppose) to send me all available versions of Kwindows.<< More good news :-) Btw, will this have greater impact on whether or not Kwindows gets the port to the Delmar Systems or is that just a matter of the programmer(s) working on it themselves? >Chris< -*- 88880 27-JUL 22:52 General Information RE: OSK Software (Re: Msg 88874) From: WA2EGP To: CPERRAULT Well put. -*- 88881 27-JUL 23:10 General Information RE: Chico fest (Re: Msg 88834) From: DBREEDING To: MRGOOD > program. However, if the program is useless or badly written, the > author should have the decency to admit it and not ask for money. True, but, on the other side of the coin, the user has the option of deciding whether it is useful or not. And, as the saying goes, "another man's junk is another man's treasure. Something that one might think is great could be useless to another. In one sense, especially with people like us OS9'ers, some of whom don't have direct contact with other OS9'ers, have to obtain their software sight unseen, and if you purchase a piece of software that while maybe good, might not be what you need, then in many cases, you're simply out that much money. To be quite honest, I've purchased software that is quite inferior to something I have download that is PD or shareware. -- David Breeding -- CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING *** Sent via CoCo-InfoXpress V1.01 *** ^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^ -*- 88882 27-JUL 23:11 General Information RE: Chico fest (Re: Msg 88846) From: DBREEDING To: MITHELEN > I HATE when software is included with hardware products I buy... Yeah, I know what ya mean. Wanna buy a case full of messy-dog telecom software? . Got 'em with all my modems I've purchased. -- David Breeding -- CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING *** Sent via CoCo-InfoXpress V1.01 *** ^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^ -*- 88887 27-JUL 23:44 General Information RE: Chico fest (Re: Msg 88846) From: BILL32H To: MITHELEN Nope !!!! They (me included) are looking for a way to justify the price they (NEED) ((In most cases)) to sell the HW (And software is nice even if one only plays with it) ((me included)) PS: Sorry for jumping in ? -*- 88889 28-JUL 00:03 General Information RE: Chico fest (Re: Msg 88845) From: COCOKIWI To: COLORSYSTEMS what I would like is to be given the Ugrade up front ,instead of being forced to buy the So called "BETTER" version....The program is usefull ..BUT is limited in what it can do! A good eg..is WINFAX lite....nice neat program,BUT the full version you have to buy! Since I got Winfax lie...Winfax PRO has gone through TWO upgrades!.....at like $49.00.......If they want to give us programs in a box with the board,fine,but give us the ORG "PRO" copy not a Short version>.. One program I got,In it was a copy of Castle Wolfstein! FREE program ...... Dennis -*- 88896 28-JUL 18:40 General Information RE: Chico fest (Re: Msg 88882) From: PHILSCHERER To: DBREEDING But then on the bright side, you can format them and store your OS9 archives on em! Free disk. -*- 88905 28-JUL 23:44 General Information RE: Chico fest (Re: Msg 88716) From: TMF To: WA2EGP I am attempting to gather and sort information on OS9 , OS9/68000 & OS9000 and put it in a form for easy access. I hope that everyone will help by contributing, I might not be able to match Microware's source book but I will try. TMF -*- 88912 29-JUL 18:10 General Information RE: Chico fest (Re: Msg 88889) From: CPERRAULT To: COCOKIWI >>What I would like is to be given the Upgrade up front , instead of being forced to buy the so called "BETTER" version...<< But, then you have to think of the 'other side of the coin'. They don't have to include anything, which will probably get them chewed out even more. >Chris< -*- 88927 30-JUL 05:17 General Information RE: Chico fest (Re: Msg 88912) From: COCOKIWI To: CPERRAULT ...............They get their money anyway! Dennis -*- 88932 30-JUL 10:19 General Information RE: OSK Software (Re: Msg 88876) From: NIMITZ To: CPERRAULT This is a matter of me getting source code and a programmer willing to do the port who has a machine available and the necessary skills. So for all I get are promises. I'm getting ready to go to Hazelwood to get some custome design and production work done. David -*- 88937 30-JUL 17:05 General Information RE: Chico fest (Re: Msg 88896) From: DBREEDING To: PHILSCHERER (NR) > But then on the bright side, you can format them and store your OS9 > archives on em! Free disk. Hey, great idea! Hadn't thought of that -- David Breeding -- CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING *** Sent via CoCo-InfoXpress V1.01 *** ^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^ -*- End of Thread. -*- 88825 25-JUL 21:19 General Information 68 'micros From: DSRTFOX To: ALL Due to a recent death in the family (grandfather of father's side), "the worls of 68' micros" won't be in the mailbox until mid-August for most people. The death was expected for some time, so it was just a matter of exactly when (has been for about 6 months). So I had some personal matters to take care of for a few days right as the mag needed to go out. Sorry for the delay, but it couldn't be helped! -*- 88828 25-JUL 22:20 General Information RE: 68 'micros (Re: Msg 88825) From: REVWCP To: DSRTFOX Dear Frank: I'm sorry to hear of your loss. I will remember you and your family in my prayers. With all best wishes, Brother Jeremy, CSJW OS9 User's Group Treasurer and Company Chaplain -*- 88831 25-JUL 23:07 General Information RE: 68 'micros (Re: Msg 88825) From: DBREEDING To: DSRTFOX > Due to a recent death in the family (grandfather of father's side), "the > worls of 68' micros" won't be in the mailbox until mid-August Sorry to hear this. May I extend my sympathy. No problem with me on Micro. I'm sure we all can understand. -- David Breeding -- CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING *** Sent via CoCo-InfoXpress V1.01 *** ^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^ -*- 88861 27-JUL 05:36 General Information RE: 68 'micros (Re: Msg 88825) From: JOELHEGBERG To: DSRTFOX Frank, > Due to a recent death in the family (grandfather of father's side)... Let me extend my warmest sympathies to you and your family. Let me know if there is anything I can do. ============================================================================= Joel Mathew Hegberg M.O.T.D. Editor (JoelHegberg@delphi.com) 68'micros Columnist Sub-Etha Software Programmer ============================================================================= -*- 88899 28-JUL 20:14 General Information RE: 68 'micros (Re: Msg 88828) From: DSRTFOX To: REVWCP Thanks Brother Jeremy! -*- 88900 28-JUL 20:15 General Information RE: 68 'micros (Re: Msg 88831) From: DSRTFOX To: DBREEDING Thanks for the condolences and understanding. The mag just went out yesterday, so you should see a copy in 10-15 days. -*- 88901 28-JUL 20:15 General Information RE: 68 'micros (Re: Msg 88861) From: DSRTFOX To: JOELHEGBERG Thanks Joel! -*- End of Thread. -*- 88832 25-JUL 23:08 Applications (6809) RE: Infoexpress Trouble (Re: Msg 88817) From: DBREEDING To: EDELMAR ===>> I'll address this to you, Ed, but hopefully anyone who needs the info will see it.<<=== > Be wary of using the 'atz' command with some of the newer, higher speed > modems especially if they have fax capabilities. The 'atz' command will > not necessarily reset the modem to factory default, > that hardcodes 'atz' as part of the initialization string which can cause > all kinds of problems. To get around this, enter your desired > initialization string and append the string with 'at&w'. Very Good Points! This is actually the correct way to do this. Since we're discussing IX, I'd like to point out that by default, IX does, indeed, send ATZ as the modem reset. However, you can enter ModemReset into the config file where you can use any reset string you need. Also, IX also allows you to enter any additional ModemInit string you might need. > Caveat - I don't > know if the above is part of the 'HAYES standard' but it seems to work > with modems from several different manufacturers. Apparently the above IS HAYES standard. Most modems I've had use this protocol (and my current modem is Hayes and this is how IT does it). -- David Breeding -- CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING *** Sent via CoCo-InfoXpress V1.01 *** ^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^ -*- 88875 27-JUL 22:43 Applications (6809) RE: Infoexpress Trouble (Re: Msg 88815) From: CPERRAULT To: DBREEDING >>Did you check out my suggestion about not having the modem reset string (ATZ if Hayes compat) in the ModemInit string?<< Somehow I missed that suggestion the first time around, but did followup on it after recieving the second message. At first I thought I might have actually broken the curse, but (sigh) no luck. First off I never had ATZ as part of my ModemInit string in the first place, only ATX4. It was only in my ModemReset string, but I added a new Init line of 'ATX4^M AT&F^M' following up on Ed's suggestion, but still no dice. I'm just going to send IX back for a refund. It's too bad, as I know it has worked fine for others, but the program has been cursed since the day a got it. First I got it and the IX file itself unarchived with a bad Crc, so I had to get a copy of the IX file mailed to me by Mark. Now half the time I try to get IX running it crashed the whole system on me, which I suspect is of a bug that won't let it cooperate with cc3io, or it might be having trouble with Shellplus, or it might have something to do with system ram, which I find doubtfull. When I am blessed enough to get it running I can't even get it to dial the phone. I guess I'll just wait till I go OSK where I'm sure this app will be more suitable. I'm just jealous at all you guys having no problem with it!! Thanks for the tips! >Chris< -*- 88877 27-JUL 22:43 Applications (6809) RE: Infoexpress Trouble (Re: Msg 88817) From: CPERRAULT To: EDELMAR >>Be wary of using the 'atz' command with some of the...<< Thanks for the warning Ed. I tried all the advice out that I was given but still haven't had any luck :-( Thanks anyway. I'll just wait till I go OSK and get that version of IX I guess. >Chris< -*- 88891 28-JUL 01:13 Applications (6809) RE: Infoexpress Trouble (Re: Msg 88877) From: MITHELEN To: CPERRAULT You might try "AT&F^MATX4^M" in the init string, since, the way you had it before (with the AT&F at the end) may/maynot cancle out the effect of the ATX4. Also, how exactly does IX crash the system when it does? Disclaimer: I don't have IX, nor have I ever seen it in action. -- Paul -*- 88911 29-JUL 18:10 Applications (6809) RE: Infoexpress Trouble (Re: Msg 88891) From: CPERRAULT To: MITHELEN >> You might try "AT&F^MATX4^M" in the init string, since, the way you had it....<< Ok, will give that a try. Just tried it...No luck :-( >>Also, how exactly does the IX crash the system when it does.<< Usually I will load up IX,and then chd to the 'INI' directory. Then I'll Type 'IX' at the command line. It will then start up and give the opening intro screen, but right before it gets to the main screen, everything just freezes up and those horizontal lines appear on the screen. I can't even jump to the other windows because the whole system is crashed. Sometimes it doesn't even make it to the first screen :-( It's sort of a russian roulette effect. Sometimes it does and sometimes it doesn't. >Chris< -*- 88938 30-JUL 17:07 Applications (6809) RE: Infoexpress Trouble (Re: Msg 88911) From: DBREEDING To: CPERRAULT >> >>You might try "AT&F^MATX4^M" in the init string, since, the > way you had it....<< Try taking the "AT&F" out of the init string, as this would be the equivalent of having "ATZ" there. What's happening, I think, is that IX doesn't expect a reset string in ModemInit, so doesn't wait, but goes on to the dial string. If you want "AT&F" as your reset, put it in ModemReset. If you want "ATZ" as modemreset, IX will send THAT automatically. One other thing you might check. How do you have your [Environment] directories set up? Could it be that it is having trouble accessing one of the directories? Especially watch out for TempDir. IX puts a tokenized file in there with stuff from default.ini (called "default.cfg"). My TempDir is /r0, could it be that you use a ramdisk that requires formatting and this is the problem? I hate to see you have to give up on IX, as I feel like it is just some very minute thing causing your problems. Now, I must admit that I do get crashes once in a while, one thing caused by large messages, and Bill is aware of this, but all in all, it is really neat. -- David Breeding -- CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING *** Sent via CoCo-InfoXpress V1.01 *** ^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^ -*- End of Thread. -*- 88836 25-JUL 23:39 General Information Finally getting OSK !!! From: MRUPGRADE To: BOISY Well Boisy, I7ve though about it, , and things do seem to be changing fooro th better in some areas. I am defiantely seriously oconsidering gettin an OSK unit. I may be checking with you and James foro ideas?? Latter,,, Terry g -*- 88838 26-JUL 00:11 General Information OS-9 Live! From: BOISY To: ALL Anyone have any ideas for the next OS-9 Live! and when it might be held? I would like someone to help in moderating as well. -*- 88841 26-JUL 13:07 General Information RE: OS-9 Live! (Re: Msg 88838) From: ILLUSIONIST To: BOISY I dont have any ideas for the topic, but have you thought about holding OS-9 live over IRC ? this would allow OS-9ers from sites other than delphi to get in on the conference... -*- 88850 27-JUL 00:48 General Information RE: OS-9 Live! (Re: Msg 88841) From: SAUSAGESAM To: ILLUSIONIST Hey there... Since it seems like you've been on IRC before, maybe you can help me out with a problem I'm having. I always here about people using a /DCC command to transfer files back and forth. Whenever I try the /DCC command it always yells at me and says "invalid client command".. I've tried about 10 different servers and it *ALWAYS* says that.. But then somebody else that7s on the same server I am on says they are able to use the /DCC command and transfer files to another user. COuld you (or anyone else) know what is going on? Someone told me that it might be my account but I don't know why Delphi would restrict me from using that option, or even if they are *able* to restrict me from anything like that... Please help! P.S. If anybody replies to this, be sure not to type /DCC at the beginning of a line when writing back. I accidently did this in a couple lines and had to edit the message because Delphi thought I was trying to use some kind of slash command.. (and cut off the whole line).. -*- 88862 27-JUL 05:36 General Information RE: OS-9 Live! (Re: Msg 88838) From: JOELHEGBERG To: BOISY Boisy, > Anyone have any ideas for the next OS-9 Live! and when it might be held? > I would like someone to help in moderating as well. Perhaps either "pipes" or "data modules"? If you would like, I can help you moderate either conference. When is the next OS-9 Live! scheduled? ============================================================================= Joel Mathew Hegberg M.O.T.D. Editor (JoelHegberg@delphi.com) 68'micros Columnist Sub-Etha Software Programmer ============================================================================= -*- 88865 27-JUL 19:47 General Information RE: OS-9 Live! (Re: Msg 88850) From: ILLUSIONIST To: SAUSAGESAM hmmm, I dont know why you are having trouble, I have a file around somewhere that explains alot of stuff about IRC, if I can find it I will convert it to OS-9 friendly format and UL it to you.. -*- 88870 27-JUL 21:21 General Information RE: OS-9 Live! (Re: Msg 88865) From: SAUSAGESAM To: ILLUSIONIST thanks -*- 88893 28-JUL 06:31 General Information RE: OS-9 Live! (Re: Msg 88862) From: BOISY To: JOELHEGBERG > Perhaps either "pipes" or "data modules"? If you would like, I can help > you moderate either conference. When is the next OS-9 Live! scheduled? Thanks, you're drafted. How about Saturday August 13th at 10:00pm EST? -- Boisy G. Pitre__ __ __ Delphi: BOISY |_ _| \ \/ / CompuServe: 74464,3005 I use... _| |_ > < Internet: boisy@os9er.waukee.ia.us |_____|NFO/_/\_\PRESS 1.2.0 OS-9 -- King of Operating Systems -*- 88894 28-JUL 07:26 General Information RE: OS-9 Live! (Re: Msg 88850) From: LMCCLURE To: SAUSAGESAM "If anybody replies to this, be sure not to type /DCC at the beginning of a line when writing back." /DCC /DCC /DCC Wonder how I did that? Someone else (over on the Color Computer forum) tipped me off a few weeks ago that typing //string at the beginning of a line would result in /string. Of course, you still have to take note that you are at the beginning of a line and take this preventative measure, but it can be helpful. -*- 88895 28-JUL 09:09 General Information RE: OS-9 Live! (Re: Msg 88894) From: SAUSAGESAM To: LMCCLURE Thankx for the info.. -*- 88907 29-JUL 00:42 General Information RE: OS-9 Live! (Re: Msg 88893) From: JOELHEGBERG To: BOISY > > Perhaps either "pipes" or "data modules"? If you would like, I can > > help you moderate either conference. When is the next OS-9 Live! > > scheduled? > Thanks, you're drafted. How about Saturday August 13th at 10:00pm > EST? -- Okay, sounds great! :) I'll make sure to ask for that night off work! Now, which should we cover... pipes or data modules? Maybe people should send us private e-mail as to which topic they'd like covered, unless you have a preference? ============================================================================= Joel Mathew Hegberg M.O.T.D. Editor (JoelHegberg@delphi.com) 68'micros Columnist Sub-Etha Software Programmer ============================================================================= -*- 88941 30-JUL 18:43 General Information RE: OS-9 Live! (Re: Msg 88907) From: HAWKSOFT To: JOELHEGBERG (NR) Joel: > > > Perhaps either "pipes" or "data modules"? If you would like, I can > > > help you moderate either conference. When is the next OS-9 Live! > > > scheduled? > > > Thanks, you're drafted. How about Saturday August 13th at 10:00pm > > EST? -- > > Okay, sounds great! :) I'll make sure to ask for that night off work! > Now, which should we cover... pipes or data modules? Maybe people > should send us private e-mail as to which topic they'd like covered, > unless you have a preference? Why are the OS9 Live! always while I'm out of town???? I'll be in Oregon (City) that weekend, camping! No Tymnet access on any of the trees out there! Chris :-> :-> :-> :-> :-> :-> :-> Chris "HAWKSoft" <-: <-: <-: <-: <-: <-: <-: Delphi: HAWKSOFT Internet: HAWKSOFT@DELPHI.COM ******************< Uploaded w/ InfoXpress vr. 1.01.00 >****************** -*- End of Thread. -*- 88840 26-JUL 06:31 General Information RE: CD-i == Way Cool... (Re: Msg 88807) From: BOISY To: JOHNBAER > You'll want to keep your serial number handy, if/when you need > help with any games, call 800 845 7301 for `hints' . Also, you > can call and ask for a price sheet of all the goodies. I called today and talked to an operator. Rebel Assault is "in the works" for CD-i! I was given the e-mail address of the head of Interactive Games Programming at Philips, so I'll be asking some questions of him as well. As I told James today, I would *love* to see a CD-i disk with the old classic arcade games (Joust, Donkey Kong, Pac-Man, Mrs. Pacman, etc). BTW, I went to Best Buy today and picked up a touch pad controller for "Hotel Mario" and other action games. Wow, feels great! -- Boisy G. Pitre__ __ __ Delphi: BOISY |_ _| \ \/ / CompuServe: 74464,3005 I use... _| |_ > < Internet: boisy@os9er.waukee.ia.us |_____|NFO/_/\_\PRESS 1.2.0 OS-9 -- King of Operating Systems -*- 88848 26-JUL 23:08 General Information RE: CD-i == Way Cool... (Re: Msg 88840) From: JOHNBAER To: BOISY Hi Boisy, > I called today and talked to an operator. Rebel Assault is "in the > works" for CD-i! I was given the e-mail address of the head of > Interactive Games Programming at Philips, so I'll be asking some > questions of him as well. That is GOOD News. > As I told James today, I would *love* to see a CD-i disk with the old > classic arcade games (Joust, Donkey Kong, Pac-Man, Mrs. Pacman, etc). Ya, I would drop some bucks for some of them. Would be a kick to play them on the CDi and have friends over . Couldn't call them golden oldies, that name is used for some CDi music titles . If you want a fast action game, get the `pin ball' one. That will have you doing dubble takes. The screen does some VERY fast vertical scrolls to show the whole playing field.. and each of the 4 games has it's own great sound FX . At the very least, see if you can play a demo the next time. > BTW, I went to Best Buy today and picked up a touch pad controller for > "Hotel Mario" and other action games. Wow, feels great! That's the one with the joystick on one side, and the cross pad on the other right ? If so, check out the `switchs'... . -- John - < Posted with Ved 2.3.1 & IX 1.2.0 > -*- 88863 27-JUL 07:33 General Information RE: CD-i == Way Cool... (Re: Msg 88802) From: LMCCLURE To: BOISY "Going for $299, these new CD-i machines look like a Sega Genesis in size." An odd coincidence: Earlier in the same day I read your message, I had first seen the Magnavox version of the new CD-i player in a pic in "Video" magazine. Likely it looks exactly the same as the Philips player (since Magnavox is owned by Philips), but it was either white or light grey in color. Other than going to a top-loading mechanism, I wonder what other cost-cutting measures Philips took? (I wager the expansion port is out. No loss to Joe Consumer, but killing any thoughts of tens of thousands or more of CD's being upgraded to OS-9 computers). The $299 price is a big improvement, but it would have had a much larger impact 1-2 years ago. -*- 88868 27-JUL 21:00 General Information RE: CD-i == Way Cool... (Re: Msg 88802) From: WDTV5 To: BOISY I'm glad you found a deal. On the basis of your msg, I went to sears today and snooped thru the electronics displays there. I found one Phillips/Maggie, model # unk, no literature on it, only on the great and awsome games you could play on it. I spent 10 mins snooping around the display (with checkbook obviously sticking out of breast pocket) and got absolutley no response from any of the sales personell who werre all apparently in a "stop the shoplifter" mode. Oh, and after fingering many pieces of sales price tags stuck here and there, I did finally manage to find one that said $599.95 . . . Obviously the checkbook stayed in the pocket. In case someone from sears is here, that was at the meadowbrook mall just north of Clarksburg WV. Gee, I'd like for my CDR-25 (NEC) to get back from Mediavision so's I could put some kind of a scsi buss switch into the circuit and try to access it from the coco (provided it works on the Amiga when it comes back) Cheers - Gene -*- 88890 28-JUL 00:16 General Information RE: CD-i == Way Cool... (Re: Msg 88802) From: PHXKEN To: BOISY Yes indeed. I rent one here in Phoenix at a used video game store for $6.00/night and buy my own CD's. They do have Tennis and a few games for rent but not any of the good music/history/fine-arts/etc type CD's. They stated that the CD's were hard to find but I get mine at Incredible Universe. I like the music CD's because I can play the audio anytime through my home stereo system and save the fancy joystick interaction for special occasions. I am now using the machine with an old color composite monitor once attached to a CoCoII with the video adaptor. The picture quality is much better than our 27" TV when connected to the CD-i machine. I have not yet seen the new cheaper Magnavox model but I saw it advertised in Game Pro magazine current issue..no picture was in the magazine. Can the video adaptor card be plugged into the Magnavox model and is the Magnavox model cable ready? Incredible Universe did not seem to have the Magnavox model ... I did not see one but then I did not ask anyone either. The price of the Phillips model was $20 off the regular $499. The 3DO was demoing next to the CD-i and all the soft ware was displayed side-by-side. The CD-i seems to have 3 to 4 times the available software including the new movies out. The movie prices compare to the tape versions so I think that people will want them if they buy the machine but I have no idea how many customers are buying the video card. I can say that Incredible Universe had many of them on hand. Thanks for the post!. -*- End of Thread. -*- 88847 26-JUL 22:53 OSK Applications MM/1 Sound cable From: NIMITZ To: ALL I'm looking for someone who can tell me how the MM/1 5pin DIN to RCA sound cable is wired. Does the ground pin have to be connected to each sound wire? Where can the prewired ones be purchased? Thanks! -*- 88849 26-JUL 23:21 OSK Applications RE: MM/1 Sound cable (Re: Msg 88847) From: COLORSYSTEMS To: NIMITZ > I'm looking for someone who can tell me how the MM/1 5pin DIN to RCA > sound cable is wired. Does the ground pin have to be connected to > each sound wire? Where can the prewired ones be purchased? The cable is wired thussly: 5 pin din MM1 stereo sound connector as seen looking at the back panel of the MM1 3 o 1 o 5 o 4 o 2 o 1 - Right Channel Input 2 - Ground 3 - Left Channel Input 4 - Right Channel Output 5 - Left Channel Output I was told several times that Rat Shack sold these cables, but by the time I went to one and asked (at least a year ago), that particular stock number had been retired. ------------------------------------ Zack C Sessions If you're not the "lead dog", the scenery never changes. -*- 88852 27-JUL 01:02 OSK Applications RE: MM/1 Sound cable (Re: Msg 88849) From: MITHELEN To: COLORSYSTEMS Chris Hawks (HAWKSOFT) hand a number of these cables at one time and was selling them at a good price... I Don't know who his supplier was though. I have seen them at other electronics stores, listed as European to RCA sterio cables... -- Paul -*- 88854 27-JUL 01:14 OSK Applications RE: MM/1 Sound cable (Re: Msg 88849) From: NIMITZ To: COLORSYSTEMS Thanks, Zack. To you and John Baer who called me with the same diagram! I really appreciate the fast help here! -*- 88864 27-JUL 19:21 OSK Applications RE: MM/1 Sound cable (Re: Msg 88854) From: JOHNREED To: NIMITZ David, I see you got lots of replies and a diagram for the DIN stereo plug. I didn't see an answer to the other question -- YES, the ground goes to the outer (shell) terminal on EACH RCA-type plug. I had a couple of those adaptors once -- came with a stereo system I bought while stationed in Berlin. Think I can find them now? (Fat chance). ******************************** A stitch in time -------------------- ------ is worth two in the bush John R. Wainwright <> <> -*- 88866 27-JUL 19:53 OSK Applications RE: MM/1 Sound cable (Re: Msg 88854) From: COLORSYSTEMS To: NIMITZ > Thanks, Zack. To you and John Baer who called me with the same diagram! > > I really appreciate the fast help here! No prob. btw, on my MM/1a, I made my own 5pin DIN to two sets of RCA phono jacks which I mounted in a blank back plate which I had drilled four holes in. ------------------------------------ Zack C Sessions If you're not the "lead dog", the scenery never changes. -*- 88873 27-JUL 22:39 OSK Applications RE: MM/1 Sound cable (Re: Msg 88852) From: WA2EGP To: MITHELEN Some "stereo" stores carry this cable. I got mine that way (sorry Radio Shaft) -*- 88898 28-JUL 20:07 OSK Applications RE: MM/1 Sound cable (Re: Msg 88854) From: JOHNBAER To: NIMITZ Anytime David.. glad to give back some help. -- John - < Posted with Ved 2.3.1 & IX 1.2.0 > -*- 88929 30-JUL 10:12 OSK Applications RE: MM/1 Sound cable (Re: Msg 88864) From: NIMITZ To: JOHNREED Thanks, John. I need all the help I can get! David -*- 88930 30-JUL 10:13 OSK Applications RE: MM/1 Sound cable (Re: Msg 88866) From: NIMITZ To: COLORSYSTEMS (NR) I plan to mount RCA jacks on the back panel of all new MM/1's after I get the new boards. Called to order boards last week and the company had 'lost' my file and the quote was 'for double sided boards not 4 layerr boards'. So this may take awhile longer yet :( David -*- End of Thread. -*- 88856 27-JUL 02:00 General Information Chico fest From: KSCALES To: MRGOOD Hi, Hugo - DB>HB> me that every little DOS archive includes a shareware request. It DB>HB> would be nice if people uploaded stuff from the goodness of their DB>HB> hearts..... DB> Well, not really. It's nice to do, but to write a really good piece of DB> material, and debug it, takes a lot of time. If you do write a good DB> piece of software, I don't see anything wrong in asking for a little DB> compensation for your time, maybe letting you get some more hardware with DB> which to do more or giving you the incentive to improve and enhance what DB> you've already done. Yes, I have to agree with David. I released "scsi47.ar" as freeware, and after about a year I figured that I was "out of pocket" about $200 from the online charges and long distance calls I paid for to support it. Forget about the number of hours I spent coding, debugging, etc. I wrote this off as "good will" to support the OS-9 community, and the "cost of my hobby". Don't get me wrong -- I figure it was worth it. I met several great folks from across North America through their messages and phone calls, including David himself (Box 412, Route 2, Russell Springs, Kentucky -- right, David?) The OS-9 "shareware authors" are lucky to break even, let alone make a profit, IMHO. Regards... / Ken -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ken Scales Delphi:KSCALES Internet:kscales@delphi.com CIS:74646,2237 =-=-=-=-=-= Intel: Putting the backward in backward compatible =-=-=-=-=-= -*- 88883 27-JUL 23:13 General Information RE: Chico fest (Re: Msg 88856) From: DBREEDING To: KSCALES RE: my comments about the time & trouble in writing software > Yes, I have to agree with David. I released "scsi47.ar" as freeware, and > after about a year I figured that I was "out of pocket" about $200 from It wouldn't surprise me to know that you were out even more than that. > the online charges and long distance calls I paid for to support it. > Forget about the number of hours I spent coding, debugging, etc. > > I wrote this off as "good will" to support the OS-9 community, and the > "cost of my hobby". I'd say that a lot of our software will remain a "good will" effort to some extent, but to put in the time it takes to produce good code, it would be nice to just get back something for the wear and tear on your equipment. I know I try to do some programming, and it's true that my abilities are not up to most, and consequently it takes me longer to get something accomplished, I'm sure, but the time to do all this is tremendous. Then, as you indirectly mentioned above, after you once get the program written, there's the process of debugging and helping people with problems even unrelated to your program. If you remember when I was trying to get my HD up and running, *MY* problem was that of not removing the parity jumper from the drive. (Of course, I realized that my problem was not with your driver, as I couldn't get the Disto formatter to work either). > Don't get me wrong -- I figure it was worth it. I met several great > folks from across North America through their messages and phone calls, > including David himself (Box 412, Route 2, Russell Springs, Kentucky -- > right, David?) Well, it's now 336 Breeding Rd. Great you remember, we also met in Atlanta last year. > The OS-9 "shareware authors" are lucky to break even, let alone make a > profit, IMHO. Right. Also, in another vein, most of the freeware authors would also appreciate some feedback on their work, too. I know I once released a program, "gfx3", actually the idea stolen, so to speak, from Dale Puckett, but I wrote it in ML, and enhanced it. Possibly it was junk, I don't know, but I never got one comment pro, con, or indifferent. And that makes one a little reluctant to do much more. -- David Breeding -- CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING *** Sent via CoCo-InfoXpress V1.01 *** ^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^ -*- End of Thread. -*- 88858 27-JUL 05:36 General Information RE: OS-9 Patches for the Coco III (Re: Msg 88736) From: JOELHEGBERG To: MROWEN01 Mike, > I'm working with some very > sizable manuscript stuff right now. I'm using ved and vprint. Would you > recommend this same set of tools under OSK or is there something more > elaborate under OSK? Again thanks for taking the time to respond. Ved and VPrint are both available under OSK and work great. If you are familiar with them, I see no need to change. They are very full-featured. > half done. I started in C but have some learning to do yet. Do you know > of a terminal editor anywhere? I expected to see something VT100 capable, > but the search has been fruitless so far. By far, the best VT100 emulation terminal program is KBCom written by Eddie Kuns. I highly recommend it. ============================================================================= Joel Mathew Hegberg M.O.T.D. Editor (JoelHegberg@delphi.com) 68'micros Columnist Sub-Etha Software Programmer ============================================================================= -*- 88859 27-JUL 05:36 General Information RE: OS-9 Patches for the Coco III (Re: Msg 88745) From: JOELHEGBERG To: REVWCP Brother Jeremy, > I have said this > many times, there is a wonderful spirit of cooperation here. People who I > have met on-line have become very dear friends to me. I would think that > even if the day came when I would move on to another system, as long as > there is this Forum, I would still stop in to say hello. I agree completely. So many friendships have been bridged within this community, it would truly sadden me to leave it. I would definitely stay in touch with this forum if I ever moved to another system. > The technical knowledge I have gained is worth a > Degree, but the intangible things far go beyond that. I guess, I'm in it > for the duration. Guess we'll be seeing a lot more of each other in the future, then. I'm glad! :) ============================================================================= Joel Mathew Hegberg M.O.T.D. Editor (JoelHegberg@delphi.com) 68'micros Columnist Sub-Etha Software Programmer ============================================================================= -*- 88903 28-JUL 22:42 General Information RE: OS-9 Patches for the Coco III (Re: Msg 88858) From: MROWEN01 To: JOELHEGBERG Joel, In my previous message I was not looking for a VT-100 terminal emulator, I'm looking for an editor that I can run on the Coco from a VT-100. :) -Mike -*- 88908 29-JUL 00:43 General Information RE: OS-9 Patches for the Coco III (Re: Msg 88903) From: JOELHEGBERG To: MROWEN01 Mike, > In my previous message I was not looking for a VT-100 terminal > emulator, I'm looking for an editor that I can run on the Coco from a > VT-100. :) Whoops... I'm sorry. :) I'm not much help in that area... ============================================================================= Joel Mathew Hegberg M.O.T.D. Editor (JoelHegberg@delphi.com) 68'micros Columnist Sub-Etha Software Programmer ============================================================================= -*- End of Thread. -*- 88860 27-JUL 05:36 General Information RE: Press Release (Re: Msg 88796) From: JOELHEGBERG To: 01GEN40 (NR) > Joel, > Is Checkbook+ still available for the CoCo and did it/does it > run under OS-9 L2? Yes, it was originally written under RS-DOS as a BASIC/ML hybrid, and then completely rewritten for OS-9 Level II with some nice innovative features and graphics capabilities. The MM/1 version is essentially a port of that CoCo L2 code with significant graphics enhancements. The RS-DOS version has been discontinued, but the OS-9 L2 version is still sold through Sub-Etha Software. ============================================================================= Joel Mathew Hegberg M.O.T.D. Editor (JoelHegberg@delphi.com) 68'micros Columnist Sub-Etha Software Programmer ============================================================================= -*- 88869 27-JUL 21:12 Programmers Den shareware stuffs From: WDTV5 To: ALL The current discussion regarding shareware pleas seems to be rather optimistic IMO. I just checked the db, and a util of mine with a shareware plea in it has been downloaded by 62 of this groups members. To date, no one has forwarded a six-pack or anything else. So I'd have to say that the percentage of folks who actually do donate would be less than 1/62 since so far that one hasn't. Opinions herein are all mine. Cheers, Gene -*- 88878 27-JUL 22:47 Programmers Den RE: shareware stuffs (Re: Msg 88869) From: WA2EGP To: WDTV5 And it is probaby sitting on my drive in a directory designated THINGS_I_HAVE_ TO_LOOK_AT which is growing faster than I can look at them. Now if I had some time and a FIFO listing........... -*- 88888 27-JUL 23:45 Programmers Den RE: shareware stuffs (Re: Msg 88878) From: WDTV5 To: WA2EGP hahaha, rofl etc. I like that, maybe thats an idea for a new directory utility! Cheers, Gene -*- 88904 28-JUL 23:37 Programmers Den RE: shareware stuffs (Re: Msg 88888) From: WA2EGP To: WDTV5 Yeah, nothin' like downloading something only to find you already have it and haven't looked at it yet! I'll get to look next month (I hope). Bob "Help - The used space on my hard drive is more than the unused space in my brain!" -*- 88918 29-JUL 21:37 Programmers Den RE: shareware stuffs (Re: Msg 88904) From: WDTV5 To: WA2EGP Yeah, I know the feeling! My 120 on the coco is up to 50 megs used! And the 345 on the Amiga is 75% full! Some of which I may never attack with lha. Seems time goes faster and faster to me, it must be up to a measurable fraction of C speed by now. I wonder if there is a speed limit for it like there is for light? Cheers, Gene -*- 88947 31-JUL 00:19 Programmers Den RE: shareware stuffs (Re: Msg 88918) From: WA2EGP To: WDTV5 (NR) Hmmmm...don't know what the limit is. I usually backup all the lha files on to floppy, then delete them from the hard drive. Hard to fathom why it collects so fast. Heck, I'm still trying to fathom electrons moving millimeters per second in wires but the electric field propagates close to the speed of light. -*- End of Thread. -*- 88871 27-JUL 22:20 General Information Sears From: BOISY To: WDTV5 Hmmm... Well, I would be speaking to the manager about that. And I can tell you that the Philips Model 220 is $499.95, not $599.95. Sounds like they need new salespeople. Don't let that discourage you from getting one of the $299 models. You might want to check with other electronic stores (Best Buy, Rexx, etc.) Good luck. -*- 88886 27-JUL 23:44 General Information RE: Sears (Re: Msg 88871) From: WDTV5 To: BOISY Well, I was just checking, since I already have, if we can make it work, an NEC CDR-25 for the Amiga. I wasn't going to toss more money after a dead horse in this case. And I think I may have things a bit munged here. i was sending both cr's and lf's there for a few. I am planning on heading out toward your neck of the woods next week, don't be surprised if you find a somewhat ancient biker on an old honda beating on your door! Cheers Gene -*- End of Thread. -*- 88872 27-JUL 22:26 General Information OS9 sourcebook From: MMCCLELLAND To: ALL Can somebody please tell me where, how, and if I can get the Microware OS9 sourcebook. I need to see how much OSK software there is out there before I invest in a machine. BTW, who is currently marketing the MM/1? Thanks, -=Mark=- -*- 88879 27-JUL 22:50 General Information RE: OS9 sourcebook (Re: Msg 88872) From: WA2EGP To: MMCCLELLAND The easiest way is to call them and request it. Unforch, reading your message has caused all written copies of the phone number (and my copy of the book) to slip into an alternate universe. Someone should have them on hand. -*- 88917 29-JUL 20:55 General Information RE: OS9 sourcebook (Re: Msg 88879) From: BRIANALBERT To: WA2EGP microware's internet address is hotline@microware.com brian -*- 88931 30-JUL 10:16 General Information RE: OS9 sourcebook (Re: Msg 88872) From: NIMITZ To: MMCCLELLAND (NR) That would be me, marketing the MM/1 - slowly, since I have capitalization problems, please send me your snail mail address, and I'll drop you an info package. David -*- 88948 31-JUL 00:20 General Information RE: OS9 sourcebook (Re: Msg 88917) From: WA2EGP To: BRIANALBERT (NR) Ah, that's news to me and also most helpful. -*- End of Thread. -*- 88902 28-JUL 20:38 OSK Applications TCP/IP Networking From: VAXELF To: ALL I just uploaded a copy of KA9QOSK.LZH . This is a TCP/IP Networking software package. It was ported to OSK on a PTK4 68000 16MHZ 4Meg OS9-68K V2.4 system. It works fine on my MM/1. I am waiting for a network address so I can use the serial port and my TNC to get on amprnet.org. This same package is availible on MSDOS, MACS, AMIAGA, OS2, & UNIX. John A. Donaldson -*- 88910 29-JUL 14:21 OSK Applications RE: TCP/IP Networking (Re: Msg 88902) From: MROWEN01 To: VAXELF When you say that KA9QOSK.LZH is a TCP/IP Networking software package, what do you mean exactly. Is this a SLIP or PPP package? What utilities are included? Are Telnet, SMTP, FTP, PING and otheres included? I don't have an OSK system (yet) but I want to keep track. I use TCP/IP stuff from PCs at work and UNIX systems. Thanks. -Mike -*- 88924 29-JUL 23:47 OSK Applications RE: TCP/IP Networking (Re: Msg 88910) From: VAXELF To: MROWEN01 Yes to all of the above. SMTP, FTP,PING, TELNET,FINGER,ROUTE, & ECT. It can be configure as a SLIP, PPP, & SERIAL (TNC) . Also AX25 mode, NET/ROM mode. Docs are included in archive. John A. Donaldson WB5DGQ 44.76.5.110 john@wb5dgq.hounix.org -*- End of Thread. -*- 88906 29-JUL 00:14 General Information NitrOS-9 v1.20 From: KSCALES To: ALL From: cmckay@northx.isis.org "Colin McKay" =================== Cross-posted by request / Ken S ======================== Attention NitrOS-9 Owners ------------------------- Version 1.20 is almost finished, and work on the new manual has begun. The current goal for completion is 15 August (and this self-imposed deadline appears to be realistic.) The authors are attempting to contact all current owners of NitrOS-9 to arrange for upgrades. Any and all owners of NitrOS-9 are requested to contact Northern Xposure via email or snailmail with your current address so that we can get the upgrade information to you. This includes all owners that sent in the registration cards that came with earlier versions of NitrOS-9. Any owners who have purchased NitrOS-9 from the Northern Xposure booth at either the Atlanta Fest in 1993, or the Chicago Fest in 1994 need not respond to this request, unless your address has changed. Please send messages to: Internet: cmckay@northx.isis.org Snail Mail: Northern Xposure 7 Greenboro Cres Ottawa, ON Canada K1T 1W6 -- Colin McKay | Lasciate ogni speranza, voi ch'entrate. Northern Xposure | Dante (1265-1321) 'Inferno', Canto iii cmckay@northx.isis.org | [ Inscription over the gate to Hell ] -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ken Scales Delphi:KSCALES Internet:kscales@delphi.com CIS:74646,2237 ** Composed with KVed/Ved and uploaded with InfoXpress ** -*- 88909 29-JUL 00:44 General Information Digigrade - new address! From: DIGIGRADE To: ALL Hi all! Just wanted to let everyone know that Digigrade Productions now has an official account and internet address. DIGIGRADE@delphi.com is to be used for things pertaining to the Compiler Video Magazine instead of TELENUT@delphi.com Thanks, Dave Pellerito The Compiler Video Magazine Digigrade Productions -*- 88913 29-JUL 18:11 Programmers Den New programming trouble From: CPERRAULT To: ALL Ok, I have no begun to add the -f option to the 'Protecter' program I am writing and have run into a little problem. The command line argument '-f' is the option to have the program read the filenames in from a file containing all the names. I call my test file 'filelist' and I used 'ls >filelist' to create it. What happens is when I run the program(run begmain("-f filelist")) the program just hangs and does nothing until I press break. Here's the new portion of the program I wrote to read in the -f arg. IF option1="-f" OR option1="-F" THEN OPEN #diskpath,option2:READ+dir FOR count=1 TO 100 WHILE NOT(EOF(#diskpath)) DO SEEK #diskpath,length*count GET #diskpath,name EXITIF name="" THEN CLOSE #diskpath GOSUB 20 ENDEXIT PRINT name GOSUB 30 newname(count)=temp ENDWHILE NEXT count CLOSE #diskpath (* -------------------------------------- ENDIF From using Debug, I typed 'print option1' with option1 being the first parameter read in from the command line("-f -s or -?") and it returns '-f' saying that -f is the value of option1. Ok great, so I try to verify by turning on the tracer(tron) and checking each of the 'while' and 'if' statements relating to option1. It returns all of them false INCLUDING '-f' which is opposite of what the Print Option1 tells me. Also when I list it, the '*' shows that the program is stopped at the 'If option="-f"...' statement. Does anyone have any ideas what might be causing this? >Chris< -*- 88939 30-JUL 17:08 Programmers Den RE: New programming trouble (Re: Msg 88913) From: DBREEDING To: CPERRAULT > Ok, I have no begun to add the -f option to the 'Protecter' > program I am writing and have run into a little problem. The command > line argument '-f' is the option to have the program read the > filenames in from a file containing all the names. I call my test file > 'filelist' and I used 'ls >filelist' to create it. > IF option1="-f" OR option1="-F" THEN > OPEN #diskpath,option2:READ+dir > FOR count=1 TO 100 > > WHILE NOT(EOF(#diskpath)) DO > SEEK #diskpath,length*count > GET #diskpath,name OK, if I understand you, you're reading a file generated by "ls"? If so, I think you don't need the Attribute "dir" in OPEN, Now, I don't think ls would create a fixed-length line, so you couldn't use SEEK, but need to do a continuous read of the file, and I believe you should use READ instead of GET. It looks like you are trying to do a directory read, but from your statement, what you are wanting to do is read the file generated by ls. About debug listing showing at "IF "-f ..." (I believe this was it, deleted these statements from the editor). Could it be that you have a line # here and an IF ERR GOTO statement? -- David Breeding -- CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING *** Sent via CoCo-InfoXpress V1.01 *** ^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^ -*- End of Thread. -*- 88914 29-JUL 18:11 General Information New Conference(Ideas Welcome) From: CPERRAULT To: ALL I have been toying with the idea of starting up a weekly or bi- weekly Sunday night conference and am interested in some input as far as who would be interested in attending and what kind of conference are you interested in? I want to start one up and I have plenty of ideas that I want to try out, but to do them all I would probably have to host about 3 or 4 conferences. Here's what I have in mind so far: 1. An OS-9 Programmers gathering: This has potential. What I want to do is get a conference which will in a sense, be a CLUB where programmers can get together and work on a program which could then possibly be released as shareware, or an even better idea, IMO is donating the finished product to the OS-9 User's Group Library. The UG could then maybe earn a few extra $$ from registered shareware(since we all know EVERYONE registers their shareware, right?). This will serve two purposes. One, it will help bring some more software into the community, and Two being able to work interactively in a programming team, in REAL-TIME conference will help programmers develope their skills, especially us beginners who post here every week with new questions. Of course if this does happen, we won't be able to use the old excuse "Well Dos apps are created by complete programming teams which we don't have." LOL Like I said this could be a great conference if we get enough active,consistent participants, because of all the different ground it covers. Once it starts rolling, it probably won't even need a moderator, which is one less thing you will need to depend on 2. An OS-9 Basic Programmers gathering: Same as above but Basic only. My Bias is already showing ;-) 'Course if there those who want to work exclusively with other languages, I guess theres nothing to stop ya. 3. Programming Help Conference: This is different from the above two. It is a convenient conference where people in the middle of writing their own programs who are stumped by bugs and other Non- Features they can't figure out can bring their questions and broken source to a live chat where there are others that may have find the answers to their problems, trivial. It is a good way for everyone to throw ideas around without having to wait a day or two. You don't even have to have a problem. Just show up and tell everyone what you think would be a great way to write the best Text editor, or how to make programs more user friendly :-) 4. OS-9 General Get Together: This is a little similar to Boisy's OS-9 Live with some major differences. Currently OS-9 Live is an OSK dedicated conference dealing with making use of utilities, learning programming 'stuff',and other system specific stuff. What I want to do with this conference is, for one keep it open to ALL versions of OS-9, and while cover a little of the area that OS- 9 Live deals with, I want to cover more 'external' issues, such as the direction of the community itself, new software releases, and discussions/interviews with vendors and software authors,General chat/help nights for those with miscelleaneous questions, and anything else related to the state of the OS-9 community and what is going on within it. It would be like a sort of Online Talk Show. And I'm your host, Chris Letterman :-) 5. OS-9 Users Group Conference: I have my doubts as to whether we need an OS-9 UG dedicated conference biweekly, but I do think the UG needs to be consistently addressed, as far as updates, or how we can contribute and keep it progressing. I am thinking that if we do start the #4 conference above, I will just do an extra special edition UG conference every 1 or 2 months for UG specific stuff, but I'm not sure. Those are my ideas. Let me know what you think and we'll reshape it and work it out until we can get everyone happy. I would like to get at least two of them going since #4 and a programming type conference is really needed here.If anyone wants to host one of their own, let's hear it. Once things are worked out I can start schedualling stuff :-) See Ya >Chris< -*- 88915 29-JUL 18:49 OSK Applications many From: BOBROGERS To: ANYONE (NR) Although I have been a subscriber to Delphi for a while I am a new visitor to the FORUM of the Delphi OS-9 area. I have previously been a subscriber to Compuserve, GENIE, and BIX. Delphi seems to me to be the best deal currently. My system is a Hazelwood QT20x, with 2.5 meg of ram, 30-, 60-, and 245-meg hard disks, 720-k 3.5- and 5.25-inch floppies, a SyQuest 44-meg removable disk hard drive, four modified Heathkit H-19 terminals, an Anchor Patriot 2400-baud modem, Panasonic dot-matrix and HP LJ4P laser printers, and a (censored) PC, plus a cheap PC lap-top. The H-19's are modified for umacs, with more function codes on the function keys. I bought the QT20 in January 1988, and have it rack-mounted with other equipment. My old computer is a Technico, based on the TI TMS 9900, still working. (Yes, that is four! So I am an EE.) Here is my accumulated list of questions, comments, and problems: 1. I am having problems with booting from a hard disk having 512-byte sectors. The QT20 won't do it. I bought the latest boot ROMs from FHL, but they don't do it either. When I dissassembled the ROMs I found references to the number 256, but nowhere any 512s. It seems to me that one possible difference in the later ROMs is that the boot will try to find a 256-byte-per-sector drive on the SCSI bus, and will fail if it does not find one. I have noticed the system booting from the SyQuest (not /h0)! I want to retire the two small hard drives and use the one big one. Dissassembling on this machine is no easy task. I learned on a PDP-8! It still amazes me what could be done with 4-k of ram and a 32-k hard disk. 2. Will the Teac dual floppy drive work properly with the QT20? I haven't found out whether or not the new Teac will work with 720k 5 1/4" disks or only the 3 1/2" size for 720k. Which current tape backups will work with the QT20? I am currently using a SyDos 44-meg removable cartridge hard drive for backups. Will the cheap tape drives intended for connection to the floppy controller work? What about software? Or must I find a SCSI model? What about the SCSI DAT? FHL says the old Teac tape cart drive works but I haven't seen one available. From what I have seen MicroWare's backup software may not be strictly SCSI compatible. The SyQuest drive exibits a curious behavior. Using FHL's fbu one must press after about 22 meg of backup file, indicating another floppy disk inserted, and fbu will do about 20 meg more. I have discovered that OSK provides only about 47 entries for file segments, and this is exhausted after about 22 meg. You can use one of the PD file utilities to look at that - I forget which one. I'll probably move the SyQuest to my other (censored) machine when I find a better backup device for OSK. I did have a lot of trouble formatting the SyQuest carts. 3. Does any one have a print spooler for OSK? It seems almost a scandal to me that MicroWare would ship a multi-user system with no print spooler, and let users mangle each others print jobs! I am working on a print utility to print one, two, and four pages per sheet on the laser, and will upload it when I am satisfied with it. Maybe I can make it spool also! I think spooling would involve a common data area the way conf (below) does. 4. Has anyone else tried a new HP LJ IV-P with the QT20? I have had trouble with the parallel port driving the laser; a serial port works sort of OK, and maybe it is just as well to use the serial port for OSK and the the parallel port for my other (censored) system. However, the laser cannot keep up at serial speeds above 2400, despite XON and XOFF! And not perfectly at 2400 - drops a character sometimes. More trouble with OSK? Maybe there should be hardware control CTS/RTS for serial driving the laser? Using the parallel port the laser prints only a few characters and hangs. If one operates the printer on-line switch several times during the print job you can get it to print the whole page. Seems like this must be a problem with the ACK signal from the laser not being accepted as an interrupt by OSK - too narrow, too fast, wrong timing? I have not 'scoped it yet. In brief, OSK doesn't work well with my beautiful new HP LJ 4-P. Of course it works perfectly with the unmentionable system! 5. I downloaded TEX from Delphi a while back but have not been able to get it to work because I can't make any fonts. Makefont says it can't find the basefile. It made the basefile OK, and it is there with ewr permissions. Any one else had trouble? Where are the files supposed to be? I have tried several places. I had to modify the makefont.b program from what I got by downloading; makefont.b does work, but metafont (by another name) does not. (Even with full path names.) 6. TEX will need a "dvi2lj4p" driver for my new HP LJ IV-P 600dpi laser. I'll write it if I can find enough information. Or has someone done this or planning to do it? TEX to a 600dpi laser should be excellent! I want to print the TEX and METAFONT manuals! 7. I saw somewhere that OSK software for a CD-ROM drive exists. I have been delayed on this project because I didn't want to pay for the higher-priced SCSI versions of CD-ROM drives, and bought a cheap (not SCSI) drive for my other (censored) machine. I have bought several of the Prime Time Freeware (largely UNIX) CD's. I had been working on talking to the SCSI bus for a 9-track tape drive using a NCR controller board, but stopped when a power supply problem damaged the NCR, and I could not justify the expensive repair-exchange. It waits for me to figure out what is wrong with the NCR board. I wrote a bunch of software for my Kennedy and DigiData 9-track tape drives, and it was partially working as long as the NCR board was working; and I was going to upload it except for a possible problem with about 6 lines of assembly code which I got by dissassembly and lifting from another program. 8. Along the same lines, what about page scanners? I believe that some available scanners (for MacIntosh?) connect to the SCSI bus. We will need drivers, which shouldn't be too hard to write. I have the SCSI-2 document from Global. But what about OCR software? Has any one seen OCR software written in C for UNIX? 9. What experience has anyone had with the newer high-speed modems? I am waiting for enough reasons to justify a 32bis modem with automatic protocol negotiation, such as USRobotics. But modem technology is changing so rapidly! It has seemed to me that Zmodem has been a better deal than 9600 baud, mostly because some hosts do not seem able even to keep up with 2400, let alone a higher speed, and the Zmodem protocol for downloading files by using larger blocks and not waiting so often for the receiver to respond via satellite, makes for faster downloads. I suspect that most telephone traffic is handled via fibre optics now anyway. One of the AT&T trans-continental fibre optics trunk cables runs through our front yard (easement.) Besides, for just talking to Delphi, who can type at 960 characters per second anyway! I have seen somewhere that the new high-speed modems may require hardware (not XON/XOFF) control for full operation. OSK on my QT20 does not monitor RTS/DTR/CD &c. See next item. 10. I am also concerned with the Carrier Detect signal from my modem in answer mode for log-in as a remote user. OSK does not concern itself with a loss of carrier, and if anything happens on the line the remote user may not be able get back in because the host OSK monitor may be hun g. Bad, bad OSK! Yes, I know about the carrier loss signal available in c, but I have not figured out yet how to implement it. 11. It continues to annoy me that OSK Version 2.4 has been available to everyone else for several years, but not yet for the QT20. I am told that it has ANSI C. Although I have downloaded them I do not have GNU C or C++ working. I need help from a better software guru than I. I did receive version 2.3, but conf, working on 2.2, does not work on 2.3, and I haven't figured out what changed in the C compiler's or OSK's handling of a program common data area from 2.2 to 2.3. We could use a "wall" utility. 12. Has anyone been able to get Peter Dibble's software for accepting PC formatted disks to OSK, in the OS-9 Insights book. I typed the whole thing in and tried to compile it. No goot! Was this for the CoCo? That's enough for now! I look forward to comments from anyone. HELP! Dr. Bob Rogers (BOBROGERS) -*- 88919 29-JUL 22:18 OSK Applications RE: many (Re: Msg 88915) From: DSRTFOX To: BOBROGERS (NR) Whew! Dr. Bob, I sure wish I could help you out of this! Not many people run the old QTs as personal systems though. Some of the people here should be able to help some... especially Joel Hegberg on the C questions (he programs on an MM/1). The CD-ROM drivers were written for an MM/1 also... maybe Joel can get you a source. Welcome to the OS-9 SIG!! -*- 88922 29-JUL 23:12 OSK Applications RE: many (Re: Msg 88915) From: SAUSAGESAM To: BOBROGERS (NR) .About your modem question. I just bought a US Robotics modem for my CoCo3 . It's a 14.4k modem. Got it for about $140.. I don't have any flow control being used and it works just fine and dandy. If there's a big program, I can call into delphi direct and download it with my CoCo at 1200 cps. If I use an IBM to download it with ZMODEM then it goes at about 1700 CPS -*- 88923 29-JUL 23:22 OSK Applications RE: many (Re: Msg 88915) From: MRGOOD To: BOBROGERS (NR) Yikes, that was a big message you left there! Sort of too big really. ANyway, in terms of spoolers, I have an MM1 with OSK V2.4 and it came with a pretty powerful spooler. Hugo -*- 88925 30-JUL 00:48 OSK Applications RE: many (Re: Msg 88915) From: MITHELEN To: BOBROGERS (NR) Whoosh.. long message/list that was... I'll try to answer some of you questions here (I filed the message off for downloading and can try to findout other answers later) Let me startout with the modem/serial port problem with no DCD or RTS/CTS handleing... This MAY be a problem in the driver you have, or the perticular UART the QT20 uses... (BTW, I'm not specifically familiar with your hardware setup, just working from my general OS-9 knowledge) You should contact FHL (Frank Hogg/FHOGG here on delphi) and see if the the hardware is capable of supporting these signals... if so, and he doesn't have noew drivers that support them, the task of adding the support shouldn't be too much... The Drivers on my MM/1 support all modem signals on at least two of the ports, so it can be done. Don't know of anyone useing the "cheep" floppy type tape systems on any OS-9 systems... You can find great deals though on 1/4" 250 meg Archive Vipers though (a friend of mine just got a used one for 125$ shipped) In order to use a CDROM, you really need the CDFM (I think that is the name) module, which is a CD File Manager... Someone is working on this for the MM/1 from what I heard. When it becomes available (Through Blackhawk Enterprises) you could inquire on getting it through them (I don't think it would need modification to work on you specific hardware, but you might need to modify the scsi drivers) Welp... my memory is fadeing on what else you asked about, so I'll cut it of here... It seems like a lot of you questions/problems pertain to a lack of specific support from FHL pertaining to your hardware... I think there was someone else on my BBS that had the same system as you, if I can figure out who it was, I'll ask him to get in tough with you through Mail. -- Paul Jerkatis - SandV BBS (708)352-0948: Chicago Area OS-9 Users Group UUCP: amiserv.xnet.com!vpnet!sandv!mithelen ...or... mithelen@sandv.chi.il.us Internet: MITHELEN@Delphi.com -*- 88935 30-JUL 13:10 OSK Applications RE: many (Re: Msg 88915) From: EDELMAR To: BOBROGERS (NR) **** For Hugo (MRGOOD) (message 88923) > Yikes, that was a big message you left there! Sort of too big really. Well, it was big and my answer is even bigger ! I've been hard pressed with work lately and responding to Dr. Bob is giving me a breather. Dr Bob, > 1. I am having problems with booting from a hard disk having 512-byte > sectors. The QT20 won't do it. .... You said you were not running version 2.4 of OSK but an earlier one. The prior versions of RBF only supported a single sector size, 256 bytes. In order to support 512 byte (or larger), the driver and bootrom had to resort to 'trickery'. The driver would be set to read and write 512 byte sectors to the HD but receive and/or send 256 bytes to the bus. The first 256 bytes were handled and then the second if needed (or the reverse order if you were interested in the second half of the 512). Care must be used in defining the sector to be written/read. The preceeding was accomplished successfully by most OEMs. Similar code has to be put in the bootrom. I assume you booted from another device, formated and loaded the files you want onto the 512 byte/sector HD (including making a bootfile for that drive). You'll have to get back to Hazelwood/FHL for a correct bootrom or, write and burn one yourself. The bootrom doesn't use RBF so it doesn't have any restrictions. If you can't find reference to 512 (or 511) in the bootrom code, I'd suspect the bootrom. BTW, RBF in version 2.4 and later of OS9 supports logical sector sizes from 256 bytes to 32768 bytes in integral binary multiples (256, 512, 1024, etc.). > 2. Will the Teac dual floppy drive work properly with the QT20? .... Ask FHL. > Will the cheap tape drives intended for connection to the floppy > controller work? What about software? .... These drives are designed to work with the 37c65 series of chips and to use either the Quick 40 or Quick 80 format. I don't know if they can be made to work with a 1772 (or similar) chip. Software will be available for these drives one of these days. This is an in-house project running as a background task with a very low priotity. > .... From what I have seen MicroWare's backup software may not be strictly > SCSI compatible. MW's backup software was designed specifically for SCSI tape units and, with one limitation, has been quite reliable in that service for many years. I have one customer who is running several VME systems; MIZAR and MOTOROLA. One dates back to around '86 or so and he's still running either version 2.0 or 2.1. The tape back up works reliably and the tapes produced are inter- changeable with the other systems even though they are running later versions of OS9 - up to 2.4. If there are problems, they will be found in the driver which is the responsibility of the hardware OEM. The limitation I mentioned is that a given file may not span more than 4 or 5 backup medias. This really isn't a problem considering the large size tapes available but if you try to back-up to disks, the maximum file size is limited. I don't remember whether this problem occured with 'fsave' or 'frestore'. > 3. Does any one have a print spooler for OSK? .... Yes, MW does have one as do several other providers. I think there may be some in the databases here and/or on CIS. > .... I am working on a print utility to print one, two, and four pages per > sheet on the laser, and will upload it when I am satisfied with it. .... Sounds real good - I would be interested in such a utility. Will this be like 'enscript' on UNIX? What is 'conf'? > 4. Has anyone else tried a new HP LJ IV-P with the QT20? I have had > trouble with the parallel port driving the laser; a serial port works > sort of OK, and maybe it is just as well to use the serial port for OSK > and the the parallel port for my other (censored) system. However, the > laser cannot keep up at serial speeds above 2400, despite XON and XOFF! > And not perfectly at 2400 - drops a character sometimes. More trouble > with OSK? Maybe there should be hardware control CTS/RTS for serial > driving the laser? I'm using a HP LJ IV+ with my SYSTEM IV's (68000 @ 16 MHz) and SYSTEM V's (68020 @ 25/33 MHz) as well as 'my other (censored) system' running OS-9000. One of the IVs goes to the printer via the serial port at 38400. The other machines go through an automatic parallel switcher (but I have fed them directly - occasionally I have problems with the switcher). The serial port uses a 68681 and does provide CTS and RTS. > Using the parallel port the laser prints only a few characters and hangs. > If one operates the printer on-line switch several times during the print > job you can get it to print the whole page. Seems like this must be a > problem with the ACK signal from the laser not being accepted as an > interrupt by OSK - too narrow, too fast, wrong timing? I have not > 'scoped it yet. Assuming the chip (68230?) is OK and your cable is good, it sounds like a software (driver) problem. How does one of the cheapie dot matrix printers behave? I've not had problems with any laser printer nor have any of my customers reported any - many different brands are being used. I have had and customers have reported problems with dot matrix printers - this involved dropping an occasional character. I have been unable to reproduce consistantly the problems reported or that I had. Nor, was there any commonality as to brand or model. I ended up with 2 drivers - one looks for the printer ready signal and the other doesn't. One or the other has always solved the reported problems. > In brief, OSK doesn't work well with my beautiful new HP LJ 4-P. Of > course it works perfectly with the unmentionable system! Well, as I tried to point out, the problem isn't with OSK but with the driver. > 5 & 6 Re TEX .... Can't help you but if get a driver written for the 4+ (or 4P) I'd like to try it. > 7. I saw somewhere that OSK software for a CD-ROM drive exists. I have > been delayed on this project because I didn't want to pay for the > higher-priced SCSI versions of CD-ROM drives, .... CD-I (RTOS) is probably what you're referring to. The drivers could be modified to read conventional CD's. Also, Carl Kreider is writing (or has written) a CD-ROM driver. > 8. Along the same lines, what about page scanners? I believe that some > available scanners (for MacIntosh?) connect to the SCSI bus. We will > need drivers, .... I've started working on software for a page scanner. Since this is an in-house project, it is a 'back-ground task with a very low priority' . For now, I use a FAX machine to do my scanning - crude but adequate for now. > .... But what about OCR software? Has any one seen OCR software written > in C for UNIX? I haven't but if you find some, please let me know. > 9. What experience has anyone had with the newer high-speed modems? .... I'm using only 14.4, v.32bis, etc. fax modems both internal and external. Serial ports are set at either 19200 or 38400. I've had almost no problems with BBSs at 9600 - DELPHI is fine at 9600 and CIS has 14400. I agree that for on-line conferencing, etc., 2400 is OK but it's hard to beat 9600 and y/zmodem for up-downloading. For large files on CIS I use 14400 and their 'B' protocol. For 14400 on CIS, use 1-800-544-3095 - there is a hefty surcharge. > 10. I am also concerned with the Carrier Detect signal from my modem in > answer mode for log-in as a remote user. OSK does not concern itself > with a loss of carrier, and if anything happens on the line the remote > user may not be able get back in because the host OSK monitor may be hung. > Bad, bad OSK! Yes, I know about the carrier loss signal available in > c, but I have not figured out yet how to implement it. This is not an OSK problem but rather, a problem with the driver written by the OEM. In fact, you don't need CD to hang up. Most modems can be forced to disconnect by the settings of &D and &Q. If CD isn't supported by the driver, the _ss_dcoff() and _ss_dcon() functions are useless. And, there are other ways to handle the information. > 11. It continues to annoy me that OSK Version 2.4 has been available > to everyone else for several years, but not yet for the QT20. GRIN! I understand the more recent machines from Hazelwood/FHL (the TC-70 and the KIX) still come with 2.3; 2.4 'is a-coming' . > I am told that it has ANSI C. Although I have downloaded them I do not > have GNU C or C++ working. I need help from a better software guru > than I. Version 2.4 still comes with the K&R Compiler from most OEMs. However, most also offer ULTRA C (the ansi compiler) as an option. We, (DELMAR CO) offer ULTRA C to our customers at a very low price. The regular price is $1295.00, the same as MW's price. BTW, according to MW's docs, you must have version 2.4 of OSK to use ULTRA C. Re GNU C - I'm not sure 2.5 Megs is enough memory for it and I think (might be wrong) it requires version 2.4 of OSK. Might check with one the GNU gurus here or on CIS. > 12. Has anyone been able to get Peter Dibble's software for accepting > PC formatted disks to OSK, in the OS-9 Insights book. I typed the > whole thing in and tried to compile it. No goot! Was this for the > CoCo? I assume you're referring to the file manager listing at the end of the book, the answer is yes - several people have. Changes were made to his code and the driver was modified but the end result worked. Peter's listing 'leans' towards GMX's drivers. It 'kinda' assumes using a 37c65 chip. I suppose it could be modified to handle the 1772 driver/chip but this would be quite a chore and you could not use high density disks. Ed Gresick - DELMAR CO -*- End of Thread. -*- 88916 29-JUL 20:07 Telecom (6809) VT100 emulation From: DWHILL To: ALL Are there any term programs for OS-9 Level II which have at least some VT-100 emulation? I'm trying to go through a local Internet provider, but can't get Supercomm to work with most of the cursor commands and many of the functions. Currently I'm getting by with my PC clone, but I really wanted to have my Coco available for this purpose as well, since my roommate uses the former a lot. --Damon -*- 88920 29-JUL 22:36 Telecom (6809) RE: VT100 emulation (Re: Msg 88916) From: CPERRAULT To: DWHILL Well I know there is KB-Com from Eddie Kuns(here in the database) which is supposed to work pretty well and a stand alone VT100 protocol also here in the database which can be run as an extension of Supercomm or any other program. -*- End of Thread. -*- 88921 29-JUL 23:02 General Information RE: Current Periodicals (Re: Msg 87618) From: NEWKID To: DSRTFOX (NR) Will give it a try! Thanks. James -*- 88926 30-JUL 02:55 Games & Graphics Shanghai and Multivue From: ISC To: ALL I remember some discussion about this before, but I am having trouble with Shanghai in Multi-vue. Shanghai works fine in a 40 x 24 graphics window, but will not draw the windows in Multi-vue. I get an error 201 instead. How can the path be different in Multi-vue if I am using the same diskette to load the game outside of Multi-vue and it works? What paths are different? Bill -*- 88934 30-JUL 11:58 Games & Graphics RE: Shanghai and Multivue (Re: Msg 88926) From: PHXKEN To: ISC It does work. Took me a while too. I forgot to reset the exec dir under MV and my path to the ICONS in the AIF had to be changed to fit my system. Running under shell 2.1 my path is to a second hard drive. MV needed to adjust for my setup. -*- 88936 30-JUL 14:45 Games & Graphics RE: Shanghai and Multivue (Re: Msg 88934) From: ISC To: PHXKEN (NR) P, Thanks for the reply. I did reset the exec dir in MV and I also did change the AIF to point to the icons directory. Shanghai is in the "Games" directory which is a sub-directory to the CMDS directory. If I try to run Shanghai with CMDS as exec and /d0 as data dir, I get a 216 error. If I use the games dir as exec and data dir Shanghai draws the dragon logo and fails with a 201 error. While running in a graphics window outside of MV, I use the same diskette and run /d0 as data and CMDS as exec and shanghai works fine. What am I missing? Bill -*- End of Thread. -*- 88928 30-JUL 06:01 General Information RE: OS-9 fest in Dallas? (Re: Msg 88652) From: BROWN80 To: NIMITZ I will try to send a message to Allen. I my experience in Bryan the best support for presentations comes from our local Hilton but I guess OS-9 budgets are more suited to Holiday Inns ...or maybe Motel 6? Anyway it would be exciting to have such a show in Dallas. Let's hope it turns out better for us than the Rainbowfest in Fort Worth did. A good show but it didn't lead to repeats. John Brown -*- 88933 30-JUL 10:23 General Information RE: OS-9 fest in Dallas? (Re: Msg 88928) From: NIMITZ To: BROWN80 (NR) Thanks! TTYl! -*- End of Thread. -*- 88940 30-JUL 17:57 OSK Applications ispell and screen From: SCWEGERT To: KSCALES Ken, I'm finding some difficulties using Ispell under screen. When I hit the '?' for help in Ispell, the help message overwrites itself as if line feeds were turned off. Also, when attempting to quit Ispell, you're prompted whether you wish to save the changes. Answering Yes .. all is well, but answering No, Ispell just beeps and returns you to the prompt. Any idea what's happening? *- Steve -* -*- 88946 30-JUL 23:28 OSK Applications RE: ispell and screen (Re: Msg 88940) From: KSCALES To: SCWEGERT (NR) Hi, Steve - > I'm finding some difficulties using Ispell under screen. When I hit the > '?' for help in Ispell, the help message overwrites itself as if line > feeds were turned off. Just tried it here using 'screen' on a standard 80x26 MM/1 'vsc' type 0 window, and it worked OK. Guess we'll need to narrow things down a little bit. My version of screen says that it's edition 7, CRC $F76802. I don't remember if this is the original one from the database here, or if is one of Bob van der Poel's updates. Hmmm... the date on it is 92/03/30, so it must be the original. 'Screen' builds its own TERMCAP environment variable, which is a combination of its ANSI emulator, plus characteristics from the original device (e.g., number of lines and columns). Following are some of the relevant entries resulting from a 'printenv' on my system: STY=w2 TERM=screen TERMCAP=SC|screen|VT 100/ANSI X3.64 virtual terminal|\ :DO=\E[%dB:LE=\E[%dD:RI=\E[%dC:UP=\E[%dA:bs:bt=\E[Z:\ :cd=\E[J:ce=\E[K:cl=\E[2J\E[H:cm=\E[%i%d;%dH:ct=\E[3g:\ :do=\E[B:nd=\E[C:pt:rc=\E8:rs=\Ec:sc=\E7:st=\EH:up=\E[A:\ :li#26:co#80:us=\E[4m:ue=\E[24m:so=\E[3m:se=\E[23m:\ :sr=\EM:al=\E[L:AL=\E[%dL:dl=\E[M:DL=\E[%dM:dc=\E[P:\ :DC=\E[%dP:im=\E[4h:ei=\E[4l:ic=:IC=\E[%d@:kd=^N:kl=^B:\ :kr=^F:ku=^P: WINDOW=0 PORT=/tty00 Any other info you might be able to provide regarding your setup will help. > Also, when attempting to quit Ispell, you're prompted whether you wish to > save the changes. Answering Yes .. all is well, but answering No, Ispell > just beeps and returns you to the prompt. > > Any idea what's happening? Yes, you are the second person to comment on this. When I ported 'ispell', I tried to make it a bit clearer to the user what would happen to the changes entered during the session. I guess that I didn't completely succeed. If you type 'x' to 'eXit', you receive the following prompt: Exit, ABANDONING changes: ? Responding 'y' will terminate the program, and abandon the changes. Responding 'n' indicates that you do not want to Exit, and returns back to spellchecking mode. Similarly, if you type 'q' to 'Quit', you receive this prompt: Quit, saving changes: ? Responding 'y' will terminate the program after saving the changes. Responding 'n' indicates that you do not want to Quit, and returns back to spellchecking mode. It was not intended to mean "Quit without saving the changes" -- that is what "eXit" does. Sorry if you found this confusing. I think the '?' help screen provides a bit of a clarification, but I can understand how you could mis-interpret the second prompt. Regards... / Ken -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ken Scales Delphi:KSCALES Internet:kscales@delphi.com CIS:74646,2237 ** Composed with KVed/Ved and uploaded with InfoXpress ** -*- End of Thread. -*- 88942 30-JUL 20:14 General Information From: ROBERT84 To: ALL Question, I just saw a new peogram called GNG in the database. I read what it said in the description and it said it would run under os9. Will it work on my coco3 with 512k? Thanks Bob -*- 88943 30-JUL 21:14 General Information RE: (Re: Msg 88942) From: MITHELEN To: ROBERT84 (NR) This submission if compiled for OS-9/68K... While source is includes, the OS-K binaries look pretty big, so it would probably be too big to port to the coco, unless, the porter stripped out some of the features... -- Paul -*- End of Thread. -*- 88944 30-JUL 21:18 Telecom (6809) Sacia help From: TOMFANN To: ALL I downloaded Bruce Isted's "Replacement for ACIAPAK" (SACIA) and after dearcing it, I have 3 sacia files. They are sacia.man, sacia.dr, and sacia.mpi. What are these, and which one goes in my bootfile? I figure the ".dr" must mean "driver", but I can't figure out what the others are. I want to use this with Supercomm and a stock Tandy Deluxe RS-232 Pak. Any help will be appreciated. ..Tom Fann -*- 88945 30-JUL 21:31 Telecom (6809) RE: Sacia help (Re: Msg 88944) From: MITHELEN To: TOMFANN (NR) SAcia.man is the documentation (manual page) file. SAcia.dr is the driver to use, if you are using a Y-Cable, or a "strapped" MPI. Sacia.mpi is another version of the driver that you use if you are using a "stock" MPI, with the RS-232 in slot 1, and disk controller in slot4. If you list out the Sacia.man file, and read it, it will tell you more in more detail. -- Paul Jerkatis - SandV BBS (708)352-0948: Chicago Area OS-9 Users Group UUCP: amiserv.xnet.com!vpnet!sandv!mithelen ...or... mithelen@sandv.chi.il.us Internet: MITHELEN@Delphi.com -*- End of Thread. -*- FORUM>Reply, Add, Read, "?" or Exit> FORUM>Reply, Add, Read, "?" or Exit>