read new nonstop follow 92343 15-APR 00:31 General Information mpi 26-3124 From: TAULBORG To: ALL I have a pretty good coco system but I have a multipak that hates me and another that won't work with os9 without upgrading it.The multipak that I NEED to upgrade is a model # 26-3124 and HAVE to upgrade it or buy another one that is already upgraded becuase I use os9 most of the time! ANY help would be greatly appreciated, thanks Steven P Taulborg -*- 92349 15-APR 20:04 General Information RE: mpi 26-3124 (Re: Msg 92343) From: COCOKIWI To: TAULBORG Talk to MARTYGOODMAN about it,he knows how to do em! Dennis -*- 92389 19-APR 23:11 General Information RE: mpi 26-3124 (Re: Msg 92343) From: NEALSTEWARD To: TAULBORG Unless you are using a Disto Super Controller II (or a few other 3rd party products) why even use an MPI? A Y-Cable with low current draw packs like the Ken-Ton paks works fine. Several members of our Club have been using Y-Cables for years without any ill effects. (sorry Marty :-) I know you advise against such measures, but it DOES work.) There may have been an advertisement in World of '68 Micros for the upgrade you seek, but I can't remember what issue. -*- 92393 21-APR 22:15 General Information RE: mpi 26-3124 (Re: Msg 92389) From: TAULBORG To: NEALSTEWARD (NR) I am using a Disto Super controller II!I also use a B&B hard drive interface and a RatShack RS232 pak so I guess I would need more like a W-cable because I use three paks,but thanks for the info! Hey I would like to know what club you belong to if it is a coco club Becuase maybe our club and yours might be able to share info and newsletters! Steven P Taulborg Pres. "The COCO CLUB" here in Central Ohio -*- 92404 22-APR 15:21 General Information RE: mpi 26-3124 (Re: Msg 92389) From: NETCRUISER To: ALL I have been trying to find a y-cable for some time now. anyone got one that they would'nt mind parting with? also looking to find the rs-232 pak, if anyone has one of those,too. please send private mail, as to not clutter up the forum too much. -*- End of Thread. -*- 92344 15-APR 03:29 OSK Applications RE: Zip and Directories?? (Re: Msg 92334) From: BROWN80 To: DBREEDING You might look in the Tandy SIG. V1.0 is a very old version and it probably has some bugs in it. Are you using a PC? If so, you can download a much more recent version in the PC section along with a lot of documentation. Over there, that is practically all they use. When I say a lot of documentation, we are talking over 100 pages. PKZIP is a very versital program now. If you are using OS9 zip, that version was from a long time ago. It it has even more bugs than the first PC version did. I don't think there was ever any more versions ported over. The file that you can download here is a shareware demonstration which you are suppozed to register within one month for which the company will send you a more complete set of programs and even more documentation. Ihope this helps you. John Brown -*- 92347 15-APR 13:53 OSK Applications RE: Zip and Directories?? (Re: Msg 92344) From: DBREEDING To: BROWN80 > You might look in the Tandy SIG. V1.0 is a very old version and it > probably has some bugs in it. Are you using a PC? No, it's OS9. > If you are using OS9 zip, that version was from a > long time ago. It it has even more bugs than the first PC version did. I > don't think there was ever any more versions ported over. The file that > you can download here is a shareware demonstration which you are suppozed > to register within one month for which the company will send you a more > complete set of programs and even more documentation. Ihope this helps > you. John Brown By "the file you can download here", you are referring to PC? I don't have a PC. I primarily use this zip to send to PC'ers and to compress QWK files for my local BBS. Seems like the PC'ers are pretty fond of zip. Actually, this has been the only problem I've seen with zip, I think, (and it's possible that zip is not the culprit in munging my directory structure, but it hasn't been happening at any other time (had one other instance in the year I've had my system, and I _might_ have been using zip then, can't remember). Thanks for your reply, I'll look at other alternatives. -- David Breeding -- CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING *** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0 *** -*- End of Thread. -*- 92345 15-APR 10:23 General Information goodbye From: COLORSYSTEMS To: ALL Hi All! It is with a heavy heart that I must post this following message. For all intents and purposes, I have "gotten out of" OS-9. I still have my MM/1 and fire it up occasionally, but only to cruise the OS-9 forums with InfoeXpress. I am not doing any OS-9 program development. I can't remember the last time I fired up on of my CoCos. At any rate, I will cease reading all OS-9 forums as of this weekend. If you wish to contact me, I have an Internet account from my "new" PC. My general EMail address is "joecool@vnet.net". Primarily for the benefit of CoCoers/OS9ers who attended last fall's 'Fest in Atlanta (or for anyone else who reads this and is also interested), I have digitized several fest type photos which Allen Huffman was so kind to release into the public domain. I have these on my PC available through the Internet via Anonymous FTP. When you login, just cd to the gfx/atlfest.94 directory and GET the ones you would like. I especially liked ALLEN.GIF and L2UG.GIF. I am not set up to be a continual Internet site, but I will try to leave the link up for most of the weekend to accomodate any requests for these pixs. Feel free to browse the other gfx directory there as well, if you have a JPEG viewer. The JPEG files in the other directory are all original scans by yours truely. As for the availability of my line of OS-9 software products, for the CoCo3 and the MM/1, they will now be available from Bill Wittman. He has purchased ownership of them and will work to improve/add to the MM/1 based products. For the many years of warm friendship in the OS-9 community, I thank you all from the bottom of my heart. I wish for each and everyone of you a long life of happiness and prosperity. Zack Sessions ColorSystems ------------------------------------ Zack C Sessions If you're not the "lead dog", the scenery never changes. -*- 92346 15-APR 12:16 General Information RE: goodbye (Re: Msg 92345) From: COLORSYSTEMS To: COLORSYSTEMS >Primarily for the benefit of CoCoers/OS9ers who attended last fall's >'Fest in Atlanta (or for anyone else who reads this and is also >interested), I have digitized several fest type photos which Allen >Huffman was so kind to release into the public domain. I have these >on my PC available through the Internet via Anonymous FTP. When you >login, just cd to the gfx/atlfest.94 directory and GET the ones you >would like. I especially liked ALLEN.GIF and L2UG.GIF. Whoops!! I forgot to publish the anonymous ftp server info!! (Thanks, Newton!) Using ftp client software login to remote host "arrakis.vnet.net". Log into the username "anonymous". The server software I use, Chameleon V4.5 from Netmanage, requires a password for the anonymous account in the format of an Internet address. It does not have to be your real internet address, although I would prefer that it was. It does have to be in the format of an internet address, though, ie, "username@system.domain". ------------------------------------ Zack C Sessions If you're not the "lead dog", the scenery never changes. -*- 92348 15-APR 14:52 General Information RE: goodbye (Re: Msg 92345) From: MRGOOD To: COLORSYSTEMS Zack, Sorry to see you go. I enjoy your software, especially the X10 control program for the MM1. Hugo -*- 92350 15-APR 22:03 General Information RE: goodbye (Re: Msg 92345) From: JOHNBAER To: COLORSYSTEMS Well, what can I say but goodbye Zack. I believe you will be missed. I do enjoy playing the games on the mm1 still :). I must also thank you for the chance to get some of those pic's, which I did get to logon and look around.. Thanks for that! Take care good luck with whatever you do! -- John - < Posted with Ved 2.3.1 & InfoXpress 1.2.0 > I am Pentium of Borg. You will be approximated. Resistance is more or less futile. -*- End of Thread. -*- 92351 15-APR 22:11 General Information internet search From: SMITHBA To: ALL HELP! How do you find someones internet address. I have no information on them at all. I am tring to find Sol Ackerman. He is the one who wrote the tandy versions of the sierra games. I want to find leisure suite larry 3. I know it was made but not distributed. maybe he still has a copy of the production version. Thanks in advance Brian Smith -*- 92352 15-APR 22:52 General Information RE: internet search (Re: Msg 92351) From: MRGOOD To: SMITHBA LLL WAS distributed. In general though, it was usually special order at your local Radio Shack. I never did dolve the durn thing... er, that's SOLVE :-) Hugo -*- 92363 16-APR 19:20 General Information leisure suite larry 3 (Re: Msg 92352) From: SMITHBA To: MRGOOD hugo, If you read my letter you'll see that i am looking for leisure larry 3. not larry in the land of the lounge lizzards. I have that one and solved it. that was LL version 1. version 3 (I am not sure of the actual name of it) was made but sierra did not distribute it. -*- End of Thread. -*- 92353 16-APR 01:35 General Information RE: What is happening here? (Re: Msg 92339) From: ISC To: MITHELEN > Ya.. or at least make sure the vender of the video board you have has drivers > for OS/2... That is how it worked out with my #9 GXE 64 Pro. I downloaded > the OS/2 drivers from #9's support BBS... > -- > Paul > Exactly, Paul...A word to the wise...saves a lot of headaches! Bill -*- 92358 16-APR 11:40 General Information RE: What is happening here? (Re: Msg 92310) From: 01GEN40 To: DBREEDING Hi Dave, I agree with you in that I would like to get as much out of my cur- rent setup as I possibly can. But, with everyone moving from the CoCo to the 68K machines and running OS9/68000, what can a person do. I would have to learn OS-9 all over again, not that I am saying I know all there is to know about OS-9 L2. I am pretty efficient useing an MS-DOS based machine. I would spend a lot less time getting on line with that then if I was to opt for OS9/68000. I run 2 systems as it is right now, this that I am on right now is my working CoCo. I use it for online purposes, for workinh Ah, &#$%", I hit the enter key again... As I was saying, for working on my programing projects, etc, etc. My other setup is a CoCo 3 that I use strictly for "fun". I use it for playing games. I guess that would be my meager "justification" for having another system as well. Thanks for the reply... See ya among the stars... LONG LIVE OS-9! ** In whatever form it is in! Peace and Long Life... Siran of Vulcan (CMDR) -= GEN =- -*- 92359 16-APR 11:59 General Information RE: What is happening here? (Re: Msg 92329) From: 01GEN40 To: COCOKIWI Hi Dennis, I do not plan on running WINDOZE! EVER!! Not on any system I will personally own. I will use OS/2 WARP. It can run WINDOZE software. And, from what I have been reading about OS/2, if you are not going to do a lot of extensive multi-tasking it will run comfortably with only 4Megs RAM. I do not like the way WINDOZE assumes control of the system. I left a message out here, explaining an incedent with WINDOZE for Workgroups V3.11. There are absolutely NO WINDOZE files on the 486 I use at work because of it. I use SmartDrive to speed up HD access and just recently found out that WINDOZE had corrupted my Autoexec.bat file by having smartdrv loaded from the WINDOZE directory. I cannot keep up with the 486 now, again! Disk access is much faster since I have Smartdrv loaded from the DOS directory, again. I have that same CD-ROM for ST:TNG. I picked it up at a Star Trek Convention out here in San Diego. Nothing to run it on, but at least when I do have a way of running it I do not have to go out and look for it. It recommends 8Meg of RAM if using the Quick Time VR but will run with 4Meg to start. Thanks for the reply... See ya among the stars... LONG LIVE OS-9! ** In whatever form it is in! Peace and Long Life... Siran of Vulcan (CMDR) -= GEN =- -*- 92360 16-APR 12:11 General Information RE: What is happening here? (Re: Msg 92320) From: 01GEN40 To: DBREEDING Hi Dave, See what I mean, OS9/68000! The CoCo is left out in the cold! I think I am beginning to see why people are dropping the CoCo all- together, it is just an obsolete orphan. Noone is going to sup- port it in a major way simply because of its limitations. See ya among the stars... LONG LIVE OS-9! ** In whatever form it is in! Peace and Long Life... Siran of Vulcan (CMDR) -= GEN =- -*- 92364 16-APR 19:23 General Information RE: What is happening here? (Re: Msg 92358) From: DBREEDING To: 01GEN40 > I agree with you in that I would like to get as much out of my cur- > rent setup as I possibly can. But, with everyone moving from the CoCo > to the 68K machines and running OS9/68000, what can a person do. Well, I do think that if one is to remain with OS9, this will be necessary if not now, then not too far down the road. This is not to detract from the CoCo, but now, the move is to the higher graphics and things that are beginning to go beyond the design of the CoCo. And let's face it, it's hard to look around and see all the neat stuff you can do on the PC or Mac and not have a desire to be able to duplicate it. I get these urges and I've seen this expressed here, too. Someone (might have been you, not sure) said the reason they were going to get a PC was to be able to interface with the WWW. This is just something that is inevitable. OTOH, when you get a PC or whatever, I think you will wind up using it more and more and using the CoCo less and less. I think this is only natural. Even the programs we use now are beginning to get too big to be easily contained in the memory constraints of the coco. > I would > have to learn OS-9 all over again, Well, it's not like going into an entirely foreign country, but there are a few differences. The biggest difference is in the capabilities of the commands.. One example is "dsave" (one of many). It works basically the same as the 6809 version, but has several other options, like being able to execute on its own (rather than piping into a shell, although that is still available).. You can tell it to overwrite a file only if the source file has a later revision date than the destination file. Copy has many added features, too (something like some of the replacement coco copy commands). > I am pretty efficient useing an MS-DOS based > machine. I would spend a lot less time getting on line with that then > if I was to opt for OS9/68000. Well, it is a big decision. The bottom line is that, at this time at least, you should not get an OSK system unless you truly love it. It's a cold hard fact that you can get a PC fully loaded for about half what a minimally fully functional OSK System will cost. At this time, you can get a Pentium w/ 8 meg, 500+meg HD, and Multimedia for ~$2000. To me, for OSK, you need ~4meg, >200meg HD and a windowing system.. (which requires a monitor), so you're looking at about $3000. I think any of the 3 current systems will wind up around that figure when you configure them to the above spec. You might save some by buying the parts and doing some judicious shopping. But at any rate, it takes quite a bit of dedication to take this plunge and I cannot blame anyone for going with a PC or Mac. -- David Breeding -- CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING *** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0 *** -*- 92365 16-APR 19:23 General Information RE: What is happening here? (Re: Msg 92359) From: DBREEDING To: 01GEN40 > I do not plan on running WINDOZE! EVER!! > I will use OS/2 WARP. It can run WINDOZE software. > And, from what I have been reading about OS/2, if you are not going > to do a lot of extensive multi-tasking it will run comfortably with > only 4Megs RAM. More input on something I know nothing about... Like you, if I had a PC, I would dearly love to give OS/2 a shot. The only downside to that is that one may wind up with another "orphan" system.. From all reports I've read, OS/2 is _FAR_ superior to MS-Dos, but the big question is whether the public will buy it. Of course if it will run Windows flawlessly, you will still be in pretty good shape. I think I would be happier with 8 meg.. As I understand it, 4 meg will work but it makes thing rather tight. > I do not like the way WINDOZE assumes control of the system. Yeah, for people used to the command line, that is a real bother. From what I've been around it, I have no idea whatsoever what's going on. That's all fine and good as long as everything is going alright, but when a problem comes up, it makes it awfully hard to diagnose at times.. I have been seriously considering the Mac, but apparently you are even more isolated from the system with them than with windows. -- David Breeding -- CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING *** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0 *** -*- 92366 16-APR 19:23 General Information RE: What is happening here? (Re: Msg 92360) From: DBREEDING To: 01GEN40 > See what I mean, OS9/68000! The CoCo is left out in the cold! I > think I am beginning to see why people are dropping the CoCo all- > together, it is just an obsolete orphan. Noone is going to sup- > port it in a major way simply because of its limitations. Yes, that's just it. (I mentioned that in my last msg to you).. I think it's futile to expect much more _advancement_ for the CoCo. The fact of the matter is that there are just not enough users left to warrant doing an extensive project with it.. OTOH, for the current graphics programs being brought out for telecom, I think it would be hard to get a good image on the screen, due to the resolution capability and also the speed would be a serious limitation. The only logical solution is to either go with OSK or give up and get one of the mainstream systems, and as I said, unless you have an extremely great fondness for OS9, then you better go with the latter. I only hope we will be able to keep/get enough users in OSK to warrant further advancement. For my part, I don't want to go to the work of designing a program if there is no one to share it with. There's too much work to programming, although I do enjoy it, to do everything for srictly one's own use. -- David Breeding -- CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING *** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0 *** -*- 92379 17-APR 02:11 General Information RE: What is happening here? (Re: Msg 92359) From: COCOKIWI To: 01GEN40 I will have a copy of WIN-95 soon! Don,t put it down too roughly I have used windoze for a couple of years and have not had those problems! Smartdrv is a lousy Cache ,and is prob..the reason you lost data! it writes late! and if you kill the computer right after you save something...ZAPPP! goodbye DATA! SO! I use PCKWIK instead......lots better!......and it is 3.11 also......A lot of games are going to be on windows from now on BECAUSE of WIN-95.....since DOS is PART of it!.......tis going to be hard for you! hmmm! I missed some thing ........and it is 3.11....should be!And My WFWG is 3.11 also...............having the right tools helps!!!! Winprobe is nice!.....very handy.... Dennis -*- 92380 17-APR 02:16 General Information RE: What is happening here? (Re: Msg 92365) From: COCOKIWI To: DBREEDING I use Winprobe.......very GOOD.....Window Diagnostic.........does most of what AMI Diagnostics do in Windows........ Nice!!!!! Dennis -*- 92381 17-APR 02:17 General Information RE: What is happening here? (Re: Msg 92365) From: KSCALES To: DBREEDING > ... From all reports I've read, OS/2 is _FAR_ superior to MS-Dos, > but the big question is whether the public will buy it. From my perspective, yes, _FAR_ superior to MS-DOS and Windoze. Since it took less than about 3 months for WARP sales to exceed the 1 million mark, it appears that a significant portion of the user community has decided to invest in OS/2. (Of course, several times this number have already bought earlier releases of OS/2.) > I think I would be happier with 8 meg.. As I understand it, 4 meg will > work but it makes thing rather tight. Yes, I agree -- 8 meg is most desirable (haven't tried less). > > I do not like the way WINDOZE assumes control of the system. I positively HATE the various assumptions that MS-DOS and Windoze make (and require) about system configuration. They reflect a very monopolistic mindset. (This reflects my frustration after spending several weekends trying to install non-MS operating systems onto my PC.) > I have been seriously considering the Mac, but apparently you are even > more isolated from the system with them than with windows. I hated the Mac until mine at work was replaced with a PowerPC (7100). Yes, I feel _very_ much isolated from the system and cannot manipulate things like I've grown accustomed under OS-9, but it is a pretty good engine for running canned applications (FrameBuilder, etc.). However, I would not buy one for myself unless there were an alternative to the "system 7" type of environment. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ken Scales Delphi:KSCALES Internet:kscales@delphi.com CIS:74646,2237 -*- 92384 17-APR 22:11 General Information RE: What is happening here? (Re: Msg 92381) From: JOHNBAER To: KSCALES Hi ya Ken, RE: PowerPC > ... However, I would not buy one for myself unless there were an > alternative to the "system 7" type of environment. Correct me if I'm wrong but, isn't OS9000 ported/being ported over to the Power PC? Yea I know the $$$ will be high on this one. Also I beleive, unix is ported over to it, but don't know what flavor :). Thoughts ??? -- John - < Posted with Ved 2.3.1 & InfoXpress 1.2.0 > I am Pentium of Borg. You will be approximated. Resistance is more or less futile. -*- 92385 18-APR 01:26 General Information RE: What is happening here? (Re: Msg 92360) From: ISC To: 01GEN40 > Hi Dave, > See what I mean, OS9/68000! The CoCo is left out in the cold! I > think I am beginning to see why people are dropping the CoCo all- > together, it is just an obsolete orphan. Noone is going to sup- > port it in a major way simply because of its limitations. > See ya among the stars... > > LONG LIVE OS-9! ** In whatever form it is in! > > Peace and Long Life... > > Siran of Vulcan (CMDR) > > -= GEN =- > Maybe so, but wait until you see what OS/2 will do to you and your system! Good Luck! Bill -*- 92388 19-APR 07:36 General Information RE: What is happening here? (Re: Msg 92379) From: LMCCLURE To: COCOKIWI "Smartdrv is a lousy Cache ,and is prob..the reason you lost data! it writes late! and if you kill the computer right after you save something...ZAPPP! goodbye DATA! " Smartdrive has an option switch to turn off write cacheing (AKA "lazy writes"). The switch can be set per drive (i.e., so that one could turn off write cacheing to floppies, but leave it on the hard drive if desired). Some people believe write cacheing is the root of all evil, and uniformly recommend turning it off. In actuality, the danger depends on the user and the OS. The ICD hard drive software on my ST supports write cacheing, and I keep it turned on, and have not experienced any loss of data that I would attribute to it. (Loose data cables and failing power supplies, yes, but not due to write cacheing). Of course, my ST uses a stable, single tasking OS, and Windows ain't either. -*- 92390 20-APR 00:22 General Information RE: What is happening here? (Re: Msg 92384) From: KSCALES To: JOHNBAER > Correct me if I'm wrong but, isn't OS9000 ported/being ported over > to the Power PC? Yea I know the $$$ will be high on this one. A port is being done by Microware to run on the PowerPC chip. Note that this is not necessarily equivalent to being a version targetted for the specific hardware architecture (display, drives, etc.) as implemented in the Mac PowerPC. Configuration-specific drivers (e.g., video graphics), etc. would still be required, equivalent to what Tandy licensed for the CoCo port of 6809 OS-9. And then the applications-base would still need to be developed/ported. > Also I beleive, unix is ported over to it, but don't know what > flavor :). Thoughts ??? I know that a version of AIX has been ported to run on PowerPC-based VME systems -- we will be using this in one of our products at work. Again, dunno if a specific port for the Mac PPC architecture is in the works. Right now, I highly doubt that any of this would draw me into getting a system based upon the current Mac architecture. I have a dusty CC3 OS-9/6809 system, an extremely heavily-used MM/1 OS-9/68000 system, and a PC sitting here waiting for me to replace its current handicap with OS/2, Linux, and OS-9000. (All packages available and previously installed/tested; just need the time to re-organize and re-install them to co-exist... Time is the main constraint.) Cheers... / Ken -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ken Scales Delphi:KSCALES Internet:kscales@delphi.com CIS:74646,2237 -*- 92399 22-APR 01:02 General Information RE: What is happening here? (Re: Msg 92381) From: DBREEDING To: KSCALES > > ... From all reports I've read, OS/2 is _FAR_ superior to MS-Dos, > > but the big question is whether the public will buy it. > > From my perspective, yes, _FAR_ superior to MS-DOS and Windoze. > > Since it took less than about 3 months for WARP sales to exceed the > 1 million mark, it appears that a significant portion of the user I do hope it does become a viable market. I think most everyone who would be "in the know" agrees that OS/2 is by far the best.. However, I've read a few articles that do think that good as it is, Windows is too deeply implanted to be usurped. > > > I do not like the way WINDOZE assumes control of the system. > > I positively HATE the various assumptions that MS-DOS and Windoze > make (and require) about system configuration. They reflect a very > monopolistic mindset. (This reflects my frustration after spending > several weekends trying to install non-MS operating systems onto my PC.) I have not been directly involved with the PC, except for a few sessions on other peoples' machines. I suppose that if I had one, I'd learn more but it appears that it is very hard to be able to determine just how everything works.. And for someone who cut his teeth on OS9, so to speak, this is something that is hard to get used to. -- David Breeding -- CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING *** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0 *** -*- 92408 22-APR 17:00 General Information RE: What is happening here? (Re: Msg 92308) From: JHICKLE To: 01GEN40 Coherent is, i mean WAS, a UNIX OS from Mark Williams Company. It was affordable ($99) compared to $500 for other commercially available UNIX products. It also was easy to install, only ate up about 10 megs of your hard drive, and except for the last versions would run on a '286. There are former MWC employees who monitor comp.os.coherent and the MWC forum (UNIXAVEN) on ci$, who are very helpful, like the folks who hang out here in the os9 forum. People who write virus programs can be found over in the PC forums. Wash yer hands after you visit over there. -*- 92409 22-APR 17:10 General Information RE: What is happening here? (Re: Msg 92299) From: JHICKLE To: JOHNREED (NR) I can live with being orphaned again; it's bound to happen to every system ..we just hang in there longer than the average bear. I'm especially unhappy about Coherent, because within a month after I installed it and ported a project i've been working on from os9, the company disappeared. This is a commercial project and i can't give copies of Coherent to my clients, so i must find another OS. I refuse to blow $500 for Solaris or Unixware (or whatever) and risk them DC'ing the product. Linux here i come. BTW, i tried porting my project to Windoze, and after 2 months still couldn't get the thing running. Apparently THERE IS NO standard input/output so you can't redirect them. Toss out all of your programs that work as filters. -jim -*- 92412 23-APR 11:38 General Information RE: What is happening here? (Re: Msg 92409) From: NETCRUISER To: JHICKLE (NR) yeah, but the DLLs are nice. OW! who threw that? -*- 92414 23-APR 12:07 General Information RE: What is happening here? (Re: Msg 92364) From: 01GEN40 To: DBREEDING Hi Dave, I need an offline reader, thats all there is to it! It is quite difficult to "quote" when replying online. I agree with you 100% with your last massage to me. One thing that is also spurring me on to a PC is the fact that I am taking a course in PC repair. Now, oviously, PC does not include my trusty little CoCo. Your right, if I want to stay with OS-9, I will have to upgrade to a 68K machine. But, like you said, it can be a much more expensive endevour than going with a PC. As a matter of fact, just to make a point in favor of the PC, the price has dropped by $29.00 for the 486DX2-66Mh CPU. This, in just one week. I can get it for $140.00 right now. That is an Intel chip. Now, I do know that the 486 is slowly taking back- seat to the newer Pentium, but, the way I see it is that the 486 will probably be around for a long time to come. After all, you can still get an old XT with an 8088/8086 processor, 286s can still be had and the 386 is definitly still around. Ah, enough of that. I know, basically, I want the power of the PC just to take advantage of the vastness of the Internet. I spent about 4 hours on it just last Sunday! That, just in the Newsgroups, and there is a vast number of those! I may spend more time on the PC when I am out here, but, only if I am going to spent TIME on the In- ternet. I will still use my trusty CoCo to DL files for it. I cannot do that with the PC. Thanks for the reply... See ya among the stars... LONG LIVE OS-9! ** In whatever form it is in! Peace and Long Life... Siran of Vulcan (CMDR) -= GEN =- -*- 92415 23-APR 12:24 General Information RE: What is happening here? (Re: Msg 92366) From: 01GEN40 To: DBREEDING Hi again, Programming on the CoCo, for me, is just that, for fun. But, I also do it for the learning adventure. Just a couple of weeks ago I learned how to set/clear the LSB in a byte. I am working on a project that, among other things, I needed to retrieve the name from a disk. OS-9 sets the least significant bit to indicate the end of a string. That was a great learning experience for me and has opened the door wider for other posibilties. I look at the CoCo as other people look at the Commadore. They both may be orphans in this high tech world, but people are still finding a place for them to fit into their lives. Maybe just as a hobby but what the heck? Thanks for the reply... See ya among the stars... LONG LIVE OS-9! ** In whatever form it is in! Peace and Long Life... Siran of Vulcan (CMDR) -= GEN =- -*- 92416 23-APR 12:47 General Information RE: What is happening here? (Re: Msg 92379) From: 01GEN40 To: COCOKIWI Hi Dennis, There must have been one BIG mis-understanding of that message I left about my experience with WINDOZE FWG V3.11. I lost no DATA! I lost control of the machine and my existing network to WINDOZE. I do not like the fact that it *ASSUMES* control. I want the machine to work the way I configure it, not the way Microsoft has WINDOZE configure it. I have NO problem with Smartdrv. I know about the fact that it writes late, I have no problem with that. The machine sits for at least 10 minutes after I have done the tape backup. No processes are running. I just switch it off. I do the same with my CoCo. I have nothing running before I switch it off. Someone out here told me that the Smartdrv in WINDOZE was the same one that comes with DOS V6.2. WINDOZE modified my AUTOEXEC- BAT file so that Smartdrv was loaded from the WINDOZE directory and not the DOS directory. I did not find this out until after I had already wiped WINDOZE off the HD and had booted the machine a few days letter spoting an ERROR message flash by on the screen. I re-booted and watched for the ERROR message. It was an MS-DOS equivelent to "file not found". I examined the AUTOEXEC.BAT file and found this corruption done by WINDOZE and fixed it. Sorry for any confusion and hope this will clear it up. Thanks for the reply... See ya among the stars... LONG LIVE OS-9! ** In whatever form it is in! Peace and Long Life... Siran of Vlcan (CMDR) -= GEN =- -*- 92417 23-APR 12:54 General Information RE: What is happening here? (Re: Msg 92408) From: 01GEN40 To: JHICKLE (NR) Thanks for the explanation of Coherent, and, your warning, about the PC forums, is duley noted. Thanks for the reply... See ya among the stars... LONG LIVE OS-9! ** In whatever form it is in! Peace and Long Life... Siran of Vulcan (CMDR) -= GEN =- -*- 92419 23-APR 13:21 General Information RE: What is happening here? (Re: Msg 92415) From: 01GEN40 To: DBREEDING Uh, duhh! In message #92415, that should have been MSB Most Significant Bit, not LSB. See, still learning! LONG LIVE OS-9! ** In whatever form it is in! Peace and Long Life... Siran of Vulcan (CMDR) -= GEN =- -*- 92427 23-APR 17:12 General Information RE: What is happening here? (Re: Msg 92399) From: MITHELEN To: DBREEDING (NR) Well... I travel around to many offices in and around Chicago for work, and in the last few months, almost ALL of them have partially, or totally switched over to OS/2... And it seems that most people tend to use the same setup at home as they do at work... So.. I think OS/2 is here to stay and will make a major dent in the home system market this year... -- Paul -*- 92428 23-APR 17:54 General Information RE: What is happening here? (Re: Msg 92409) From: GREGL To: JHICKLE (NR) I suspect Coherent took a big hit by the release of Linux over the years, and simply couldn't stay in business because of it. Lots of people used Coherent as a low-cost UNIX operating system and, once Linux appeared as freeware, Coherent lost the battle. If you want to move into Linux, you might pick up a copy of the Slackware Linux CD-ROM. -- Greg -*- 92438 23-APR 23:35 General Information RE: What is happening here? (Re: Msg 92428) From: MITHELEN To: GREGL (NR) Ya.. Linux is getting to be REALLY nice... I jsut recently changed from the Yggdrasil release of Linux, to the InfoMagic release, and really like the new bundel... The InfoMagic package is a 3 CD set, which inclides lots of extra's... And it only cost a few $$$ more...(Think I paid 25$ for it) I've seen one or two other Linux distribution CD's, but so far, this InfoMagic one seems the best deal... -- Paul -*- 92441 24-APR 17:01 General Information RE: What is happening here? (Re: Msg 92415) From: NETCRUISER To: 01GEN40 (NR) its just fun! dont feel ashamed because there is a soft spot in your heart for an obsolete machine like the coco... there is a lot i WOULD do w my coco that i wouldnt DREAM of trying with an IBM -- such as wiring up stuff to it or doing stuff like making a process launching daemon, etc, etc. ya gotta love it. TTYL -*- 92445 24-APR 17:20 General Information RE: What is happening here? (Re: Msg 92438) From: NETCRUISER To: MITHELEN (NR) could i have an address on where to pick up those CDs? -*- End of Thread. -*- 92354 16-APR 01:36 General Information RE: coco3 problems (Re: Msg 92338) From: ISC To: COCOKIWI > We had a story here last week of three guys at a school fooling around with a > Gopher and some highly explosive liquid....util one of em! decided to light up > !!!!!!!!!!*******BOOM********!!!!!!!!!!!....The three of em! got blown out the > door! 16 students slightly injured.....The gopher survived.... > Dennis > Dennis, Someone smoking in the Chemistry Lab? What a cretin! Or is that gopher broke?!!? Oh, never mind. Bill -*- 92378 17-APR 01:55 General Information RE: coco3 problems (Re: Msg 92354) From: COCOKIWI To: ISC got you! Nooooooo! The CUSTODIANS... in the Custodians place...wherever they put em! Dennis -*- End of Thread. -*- 92355 16-APR 09:03 General Information OS9000 From: PHILSCHERER To: ALL Is there anyone here interested in an OS9000 system? -*- 92356 16-APR 11:11 General Information RE: OS9000 (Re: Msg 92355) From: JOHNREED To: PHILSCHERER > Is there anyone here interested in an OS9000 system? > I have a large bruise on my backside and a sore knee from kicking myself every time I remember passing up the bargain offer on OS-9000 a few "Fests" ago in Chicago. I have all the hardware I need (and then some), but if you are selling the operating system at a price I can swallow, I may be interested. (email?). ******************************** John R. Wainwright <> <> -*- 92367 16-APR 19:38 General Information RE: OS9000 (Re: Msg 92356) From: PHILSCHERER To: JOHNREED Hi John--E-Mail is fine. -*- 92371 16-APR 20:54 General Information RE: OS9000 (Re: Msg 92355) From: JEJONES To: PHILSCHERER > Is there anyone here interested in an OS9000 system? I've certainly given thought to it; I'd love to have a laptop system running OS-9 or OS-9000, and currently the way to do that would be to get a PClone laptop and run OS-9000 on it. (Are there PowerPC laptops?) Opinions herein are solely those of their respective authors. -*- 92387 19-APR 02:37 General Information RE: OS9000 (Re: Msg 92371) From: AJMLFCO To: JEJONES When I was at a "Real-Time-Computer" trade show recently, I asked about OS-9000 on PowerPC. I came away with the impression that the PowerPC's we are going to see for the desktop are not too compatible with the VME versions. Since we would not be able to run OS-9000 on desktop and ruggedized PCs (PowerPC-CPUs), we have lost interest in it. Going to see what we can do with NT instead. I want to avoid VME and such beasts as much as possible--way too expensive and complex. Leave it for the military or someone with $$$ to burn. Maybe I got the wrong impression? Do you think OS9, 9000 will run on the new IBM PowerPC machines due out soon? Allen Morgan -*- 92391 21-APR 05:38 General Information RE: OS9000 (Re: Msg 92387) From: BROWN80 To: AJMLFCO (NR) IBM is planning to use power PC's in all of their new computers. Who Knows some day they may go to an Alpha type chip. Right now they frequently use an RS6000 to interface an AS400 with other computers. I think they may use OS9 for power PC's to interface where a real time data collection or control is needed. These boxes may be a little expensive for guys like us but maybe personal versions may come out later. I understand that some of the newer Power PC chips have been designed to work in parallel. That could lead to a very flexible design in computers. So much for the rumor mill. John Brown -*- End of Thread. -*- 92357 16-APR 11:19 OSK Applications Ghostscript From: JOHNREED To: ALL For the Ghostscript users, I have just downloaded the source for Ghostscript ver 3.33. This latest public release from Aladdin has more goodies, drivers, and support for Adobe PDF ("Acrobat") files. I have just started on the process of porting it to the MM/1 - hope to have it running in time for the Fest in Elgin. I DO have version 3.12 in pretty good shape, but I have not uploaded it because I was waiting for this one. Ver 3.12 has Postscript "level 2" support, and I have made some improvements in the "Kwindows" display driver. See you in Chicago ******************************** John R. Wainwright <> <> -*- 92372 16-APR 20:54 OSK Applications RE: Ghostscript (Re: Msg 92357) From: JEJONES To: JOHNREED > Ver 3.12 has Postscript "level 2" support, and > I have made some improvements in the "Kwindows" display driver. Yow! The 2.whatever KWindows driver was pretty darned good, so if this one is improved, I'm definitely going to be impressed. Opinions herein are solely those of their respective authors. -*- End of Thread. -*- 92361 16-APR 15:24 General Information Mistaken Smartdrv info. From: JMURPHY To: 01GEN40 >I use SmartDrive to speed up HD access and just > recently found out that WINDOZE had corrupted my Autoexec.bat file > by having smartdrv loaded from the WINDOZE directory. I cannot keep > up with the 486 now, again! Disk access is much faster since I have > Smartdrv loaded from the DOS directory, again. Hmm, if you do a binary compare of the SMARTDRV.EXE from DOS 6.2 and the SMARTDRV.EXE from Windows for Workgroups 3.11, you will see that the files are EXACTLY the same. In other words, if the WfWG version gave you problems, so will the DOS version. Be careful. John -*- 92413 23-APR 11:38 General Information RE: Mistaken Smartdrv info. (Re: Msg 92361) From: 01GEN40 To: JMURPHY Hi John, I think you mis-understood the problem I had. I have no problem with Smartdrv, I have a problem with WINDOZE *ASSUMING* control of the machine. When I run the Novell Netware software I cannot run Smartdrv. So I "REM" it out in the AUTOEXEC.BAT file unless I am not going to run the network. WINDOZE For Workgroups somehow re- moved the "REM" ... Strike this last statement. What WINDOZE did was to modify the line that loads Smartdrv from the DOS directory so that it would be loaded from the WINDOZE directory. This tells me that Microsoft assumes that everyone will boot up into WINDOZE! I do not! As a matter of fact, I do not use WINDOZE to run any of software I use for work. So, it would be useless for me to boot into WINDOZE. I hope that this will clear up some of the confu- sion. Thanks for the reply... Se ya among the stars... LONG LIVE OS-9! ** In whatever form it is in! Peace and Long Life... Siran of Vulcan (CMDR) -= GEN =- -*- 92418 23-APR 13:04 General Information RE: Mistaken Smartdrv info. (Re: Msg 92413) From: JMURPHY To: 01GEN40 > Hi John, > > I think you mis-understood the problem I had. I have no problem > with Smartdrv, I have a problem with WINDOZE *ASSUMING* control of > the machine. Sorry, I misunderstood. The msg I replied to originally said: > I use SmartDrive to speed up HD access and just >recently found out that WINDOZE had corrupted my Autoexec.bat file >by having smartdrv loaded from the WINDOZE directory. I thought you meant smartdrv had corrupted a file. My mistake. > When I run the Novell Netware software I cannot run > Smartdrv. Sure you can. Hundreds of thousands of PC's are running both. Call Novell tech support, or MS tech support. They'll get you fixed up in 90 seconds flat. (That doesn't include the "hold" times, though). > So I "REM" it out in the AUTOEXEC.BAT file unless I am > not going to run the network. WINDOZE For Workgroups somehow re- > moved the "REM" ... Strike this last statement. What WINDOZE did > was to modify the line that loads Smartdrv from the DOS directory > so that it would be loaded from the WINDOZE directory. This tells > me that Microsoft assumes that everyone will boot up into WINDOZE! This tells me that if you install Windows(c), the software thinks you are going to run Windows. This is probably a safe assumption. > I do not! As a matter of fact, I do not use WINDOZE to run any of > software I use for work. So, it would be useless for me to boot > into WINDOZE. So why install it in the first place, hmm... John Murphy -*- 92422 23-APR 14:11 General Information RE: Mistaken Smartdrv info. (Re: Msg 92418) From: 01GEN40 To: JMURPHY Hi John, >This tells me that if you install Windows(c), the software thinks you are going to run Windows. This is probably a safe assumption. Soory John, but I do not give WINDOZE any credit for THINKING. It does what the guys at Microsoft wanted it to do, *ASSUME CONTROL*! I do not like software that *ASSUMES* control when there is software already existing to control the machine, as configured by ME. I plan on running OS/2 Warp on my 486 when I am finished building it. When installed, IT will assume control, by design. But, I will also study it and re-configure it, if needed, as needed. There will be no other controlling software for Warp to *ASSUME* control from. For me to have a better attitude toward WINDOZE FWG V3.11, it should have been given an install procedure that would recognize an existing controlling software and given me the option to turn the control of the machine over to it. That is what I do not like about Microsoft, and they are probably right, that a casual user will not care as long as the machine/software does what he/she wants. Me, I want the machine/software to do what I want the way I want it done. My CoCo runs the way I want it to, the way I configured it to. It does not work the way Radio Shack wanted. An example is that I made a patch to the stock Init module to have cc3go loaded from the CMDS directory and then, once done, removed from memory since it was used only once during bootup anyway. That patch is here on Delphi by the way, for others to use. Another example is that I got rid of that ugly little green screen that my CoCo boots into. It boots from a black screen. I had to work on one of the modules in the kernal to achieve this. Well, enough said... Thanks for the reply... See ya among the stars... LONG LIVE OS-9! ** In whatever form it is in! Peace and Long Life... Siran of Vulcan (CMDR) -= GEN =- -*- 92424 23-APR 15:04 General Information RE: Mistaken Smartdrv info. (Re: Msg 92422) From: JMURPHY To: 01GEN40 (NR) > I plan on running OS/2 Warp on my 486 when I am finished building > it. When installed, IT will assume control, by design. But, I will > also study it and re-configure it, if needed, as needed. Oh, but there is no point in studying and re-configuring WfWG, if needed. I see. > For me to have a better attitude toward WINDOZE FWG V3.11, it > should have been given an install procedure that would recognize an > existing controlling software and given me the option to turn the > control of the machine over to it. It does. It asks before changing autoexec and config, it allows you to make changes to the changes it proposed, it allows you to totally discard the changes it made. > My CoCo runs the way I want it to, the way I configured it to. It > does not work the way Radio Shack wanted. An example is that I made > a patch to the stock Init module to have cc3go loaded from the CMDS > directory and then, once done, removed from memory since it was > used only once during bootup anyway. That patch is here on Delphi > by the way, for others to use. Another example is that I got rid > of that ugly little green screen that my CoCo boots into. It boots > from a black screen. I had to work on one of the modules in the > kernal to achieve this. Again you took the time to see what the "stock" system does. You took the time to see what changes you wanted. You made those changes. If you reloaded OS-9 from the stock disks, you'd have to make those changes again, wouldn't you? Face it. You were in a hurry when you installed Windows. You didn't check to see what changes it was making when it asked you to review those changes. You didn't review those changes after you finished installing. You were in a hurry when you ripped out Windows. You didn't check your autoexec or config. Is this Microsoft's fault? I don't think so. The Windows SETUP program did what YOU told it to do. But of course, because you did it YOUR way, this must be a problem with Microsoft ?!?! Guess again. It seems that because the product is from Microsoft, you won't take the time to learn anything about it. This is simply unfair. You have stated that you are willing to take the time to learn Warp, you have demonstrated that you have taken the time to learn OS-9, and yet all Microsoft products are fatally flawed because you won't learn them. I think you may have far more problems using Warp than you expect. Have fun. John Murphy John Murphy -*- 92442 24-APR 17:05 General Information RE: Mistaken Smartdrv info. (Re: Msg 92422) From: NETCRUISER To: 01GEN40 (NR) im interested in how you did both... -*- 92444 24-APR 17:12 General Information RE: Mistaken Smartdrv info. (Re: Msg 92424) From: NETCRUISER To: JMURPHY (NR) may i suggest that this discussion is verging on being off-topic for this forum? also, please, let's not start a flame war -- this forum has had enough of them, and you two seem on the edge. -*- End of Thread. -*- 92362 16-APR 18:57 Programmers Den From: WDTV5 To: ALL Welp, has anyone managed to get the package "KA9Q" to run on their coco yet? So far, all I have had it do was lock the system up with the hard drive access lite on. I can still "clear" to other windows, but theres no keyboard response or mouse (seriel) effects detectable. Only way out is that famous little button on the back apron of the machine. Ideas or help gratefully appreciated. I've made mail comments and questions to the uploader, but apparently we don't speak the same language as all his replies have been regarding AmiTCP even if I have stated several times this is a coco3/os9l2/nitros9 system. Cheers all, Gene -*- 92368 16-APR 20:01 General Information Conference Reminder From: THETAURUS To: ALL Tomorrow(Monday) Night at 10:00 PM is going to be the 'Project Overview' edition of OS-9 Late Night. I'm going to be discussing the latest project going on within the OS-9 Users Group, to establish an OS-9 information sourcebook. This is not actually going to be a hardcopy 'book' mind you(tho it could be a future possibility I would imagine, given the demand. Anwyay...). As some of you might already know from what I mentioned in previous conferences, we are going to begin compiling information relating to different areas of interest to OS-9. As this information is recieved it will be added to the respective database that it belongs in. To clarify a bit, these different categories be a: userlist bbslist clublist vendorlist a list for OS-9 based publications such as magazines and newsletters business and industrial users list More will be added in the future as they become in demand. For instance, an orphanware database is soemething I personally feel will be of use to the OS-9 community and I know there will be others that some will think up in the future. I won't go too much further into detail right now but will be typing up a post sometime soon and I will also answer any questions tomorrow night. Since it appears that the latest MOTD won't be recieved by tomorrow(I imagine it either hasn't gone to press yet, or it is not ready to ship), I will *TRY* to get a more detailed post up either tonight or early tomorrow night so you can catch up on it the basic details of this project before coming to conference. This was why I was pushing the conference back in the first place. I was hoping everyone would have their MOTD's before the conference to take care of the basics and allow us to jump right into the more advanced questions, but I won't delay it anymore. Without posting the article itself, I'll just try and get a simple post in forum, so try and look for it here a little before getting into conference so you can go over it a little offline. On another issue, the discussion of forum traffic slowing down as of late, *DON'T WORRY ABOUT IT* ;-). This happens a few times every year as most online services go through little slow periods, with people doing other things in 'real life'. Not that people selling off their OS-9 based systems at record pace or Zack Sessions leaving is going to HELP us any, but still it is not the end of the world(course we'll miss Zack). See Ya >Chris< -*- 92369 16-APR 20:01 Programmers Den Echo off trouble From: THETAURUS To: ALL I am working on a small Basic09 module that uses the Get/set stat syscall routines to turn echo off, to use in an editor I'm writing(another pet project). When I run it, there are no errors nor crashes and seems fine except that the echo doesn't get shut off. There is no change at all :-/ Can anyone see what I did wrong with the following code?... PROCEDURE echoff TYPE registers=cc,a,b,dp:BYTE; x,y,u:INTEGER DIM regs:registers DIM callcode:BYTE DIM oldopts(32),newopts(32):BYTE DIM pd_eko:BYTE DIM ss_opt:BYTE regs.a:=0 \regs.b:=0 \regs.x:=ADDR(oldopts) pd_eko:=$04 RUN syscall($8D,regs) newopts:=oldopts newopts(pd_eko):=0 regs.x:=ADDR(newopts) \regs.a:=0 \regs.b:=0 RUN syscall($8E,regs) END -*- 92374 16-APR 21:57 Programmers Den RE: Echo off trouble (Re: Msg 92369) From: RANDYKWILSON To: THETAURUS Chris, The numbers listed in the books for the various Opt flags are *offsets*, not item numbers. Again, you used the offset of EKO, but have the array (*opt(32)) defaulting to unit numbers, Base 1. Basic09, unless told otherwise, assumes base 1. To fix, either add a BASE 0 command so that the array mimics offsets, or use EKOs item number ($05). Randy -*- 92375 16-APR 22:26 Programmers Den RE: Echo off trouble (Re: Msg 92369) From: DBREEDING To: THETAURUS > I am working on a small Basic09 module that uses the Get/set > stat syscall routines to turn echo off, > nor crashes and seems fine except that the echo doesn't get shut > off. There is no change at all :-/ > PROCEDURE echoff > pd_eko:=$04 > RUN syscall($8D,regs) > newopts:=oldopts > newopts(pd_eko):=0 I think you have your offset to pd_eko wrong.. If this is a coco, look on pp. 6-3 thru 6-5. SS.Opt copies the path descriptor starting at PD.DV2 thru PD.XON If you have a C compiler, you might look at scf.h or look at the source file for one of the assembler libraries to get a better feel for the offsets. (Same thing applies if you are working with OSK) The offset to pd_eko should be $24-$0A ($1a). I think this should get you on the right track.. If you intend to set several, you might define a TYPE structure defining all the elements. -- David Breeding -- CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING *** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0 *** -*- 92377 16-APR 23:58 Programmers Den RE: Echo off trouble (Re: Msg 92375) From: RANDYKWILSON To: DBREEDING SS.Opt copies the entire 32 bytes listed on pages 6-4 and 6-5. This is PD.DTP to PD.PST inclusive. Therefore we have $24 - $20 = $04; the number Chris has. The only error is this is an offset, not an item number. Chris' only error was allowing Basic09 to default to Base 1 so that when he attacked #4, he got item 4 at an offset of 3 into the array. Randy -*- 92400 22-APR 01:02 Programmers Den RE: Echo off trouble (Re: Msg 92377) From: DBREEDING To: RANDYKWILSON > SS.Opt copies the entire 32 bytes listed on pages 6-4 and 6-5. This is > PD.DTP to PD.PST inclusive. Therefore we have $24 - $20 = $04; the number > Chris has. The only error is this is an offset, not an item number. Chris' > only error was allowing Basic09 to default to Base 1 so that when he > attacked #4, he got item 4 at an offset of 3 into the array. You're right. I grabbed my manual and looked too far back . Actually, for documentational purposes more than anything else, the best way, as I suggested ( I think ), is to define a TYPE structure for the data. Makes it a lot clearer what you're doing. Little gotcha's like Chris got into sometimes make rough little buggers to diagnose if you aren't on your toes. -- David Breeding -- CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING *** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0 *** -*- End of Thread. -*- 92370 16-APR 20:01 Programmers Den Another favor From: THETAURUS To: ALL I have another favor to ask of any Basic09 programmers out there. I'm still trying to work out kinks in my 'Protector' utility. I'm still trying to use syscall to figure out what device is active as Std input, so to allow the utility to accept piped input or input redirected from a file. My luck still isn't great, and I was wondering if there is anyone out there who has done this in Basic. If so, could you mail some sample code of how you did this? The time I put into working on this program is erratic so I don't remember the different problems I've had with it but I'll be darned if I figure this thing called programming out. See Ya >Chris< -*- 92376 16-APR 22:26 Programmers Den RE: Another favor (Re: Msg 92370) From: DBREEDING To: THETAURUS > utility. I'm still trying to use syscall to figure out what device > is active as Std input, so to allow the utility to accept piped > input or input redirected from a file. Can't you use SS.DevNm? See p 8-115 in tech manual (coco). you might do something like this: DIM buf:string[33] .. buf="/" \ (* set up a leading slash reg.a=0\reg.b=$0e\ reg.x=ADDR(buf)+1\ (* point to second char in buf past the "/" .. do syscall etc. If this is OS9/6809 the last byte of the device name has msb set. You need to parse this name and find it and POKE place, (LAND(PEEK(place),$7f)) and put a CR in next position following this one. (a null might work, for OS9 calls.. If you are going to work with it as a string under B09, you will need to poke $FF in that trailing space rather than a CR. -- David Breeding -- CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING *** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0 *** -*- End of Thread. -*- 92373 16-APR 21:51 General Information RE: Looking for IMS info. (Re: Msg 92340) From: KNOT1 To: DBREEDING I've found copies of my disks needed to boot the system, but not my originals. Though if it comes to it, looks like Dave Graham would be able to suply replacements at a resonable fee. And yes, I've been using a hard drive on my CoCo for a long time, and have worked with computers since the CoCo 1. :-) I believe they probably still have my cp/mv/ln program here that I made way back. This is much of my reason for having gone with the MM/1, not having wanted to give up all the stuff I've come to like about the CoCo and OS-9. So for now it just seems to be a matter of waiting. Which won't hurt helping me to save up the extra cash it will run me. :-) -*- 92382 17-APR 02:43 General Information RE: Looking for IMS info. (Re: Msg 92342) From: PAUL8 To: CHARLESAM On 14-APR 22:50 CHARLESAM said to PAUL8 } iI'll look forward to seeing you in Elgin. I'll be there saturday }about noon. Regards Charlie Charlie: Thanks for the reply. Think I will beat you. I plan to be there Friday and Sat Nights - a rather expensive vacation weekend (if you will). `[1;33;41mPaul - visit Boston - we need your money `[1;33;44mHappy Sailing; Another Day Above Ground `[1;30;45mRainbow V 1.14.2 for Delphi - Registered -*- 92383 17-APR 21:17 General Information RE: Looking for IMS info. (Re: Msg 92382) From: MITHELEN To: PAUL8 I took a weekend vacation to Boston a few years back (got free plane fair) and didn't have nearly as much fun as I have had at any fest (Not to put Boston down, it seemed like it would have been a fun place if one particular person that went with me, and three other friends, had not had his drivers liscense taken away the week before, and brought no other type of of official identification) that weekend just happend to coencide with my birthday... but needless to say, we were limited to where we could go to celebrate ((Boston/MA must have the strictest ID checking enforcement at bars/night clubs I have ever seen! BTW, we were all of legal age) Some day I'll have to try to get back to Boston (and other areas in the East Coast) to have a real vacation.... -- Paul -*- End of Thread. -*- 92386 18-APR 21:23 OSK Applications RIBBS_OSK From: VAXELF To: ALL If you are going to Chicago Fest and wish to get a copy of the NEW RIBBS_OSK BETA for the MM/1, then bring a diskette formatted with typ=$27 sct=37 t0s=37. You need to add your own utilities such as RunB,Shell,Tmode,Dir,Date, Bgfx,Del,Lha,Math,Copy,& Display or in memory. Ribbs OS9 Docs are included on the disk. Once you put your utilites in the diskette CMDS, you will have a fully functional BBS with a 100K Byte MessageBase. Just put the diskette in your /dd floppy dirve (/d0), type chd /dd;chx /dd/cmds. Then type RunB Ribbsmain. If your /dd is a harddrive or you want to run from a second floppy, then you will need to copy the "ribbs.cfg" to the /DD root Directory, before running RIBBS_OSK. It is setup for the /T3 port, but if you wish to run from the /T0 port, you will need to run RConfig and copy the SetBaud.t0 to SetBaud. (SetBaud is in the CMDS directory). This has been many months of hard work for a bunch of us to take the orginal Basi09 and 6809 ASM code and convert them to run under OSK Basic and into 68000 code. We have made some improvement over the OS9 version. Namely RIBBS_OSK will run LOCK BAUD at 38400 Baudrate. This allows TRUE 19200/16000/28400 BaudRate Connections. It also runs 100X faster than RIBBS OS9 does. If your are familiar or haave run RIBBS OS9, then this will be a snap for you. IF not, the RIBBS DOCS are included on the diskette. If you have a copy of the Basic09 Source code for UNBUNDLE and FREQ, please E-Mail me a copy. These are the badly needed to round out the modules that are missing. John A. Donaldson RIBBS_OSK BETA Team Leader PS. Look for KTerm V3.0 at the Fest TOO. Visit the Blackhawk booth. -*- 92392 21-APR 20:05 OSK Applications RIBBS_OSK From: VAXELF To: ALL After the Fest, updates for Ribbs_OSK will be availble on the Ocean Beach BBS. Warren hrach is sysop. Warren is the main beta site, so if you have any questions or problems, he will be the best person to ask first. His Internet address is warren@ocnbeach.jd.com John A. Donaldson RIBBS_OSK BETA Team Leader. -*- 92394 21-APR 22:50 OSK Applications RE: PGP for OSK? (Re: Msg 87118) From: NETCRUISER To: WDTV5 preach on, brother WDTV5! -*- 92402 22-APR 01:31 OSK Applications RE: PGP for OSK? (Re: Msg 87110) From: WA2EGP To: DSRTFOX (NR) I think the only reasons for all the so-called antipollution "stuff" is that a lot of people don't maintain their cars and it opens up a new market for stuff we HAVE to buy. -*- End of Thread. -*- 92395 21-APR 22:53 General Information RE: Printers (Re: Msg 87126) From: NETCRUISER To: ISC i have a DECWriter ][ that i use as a printer -- it's highest speed is 300 baud, and the slowest is either 150 or 50, cant remember which -- got the thing out in the shed at the moment -*- 92396 21-APR 22:59 General Information RE: Think about it... (Re: Msg 87165) From: NETCRUISER To: WA2EGP i dont care what any of you say, the answer is "42" -*- 92401 22-APR 01:23 General Information RE: Think about it... (Re: Msg 92396) From: WA2EGP To: NETCRUISER And the question is "What is 6 by 9? Actually, at the speed of light the shift of the light from the headlights would be so great that you couldn't see it, so "would they work" might be translated into can you see them which is more than likely no. If sending out EM radiation is what is meant by would they work, then the answer is yes. Getting a Ford to light speed is definitely impossible....getting one to any decent speed is improbable (grin). Actually, some one did rearrange the equations so the negative number problem was resolved and it looked like past the speed of light the energy requirements were less as you got faster, opposite of slower than light. The time reversal did appear, which lead to that famous limerick. Yep, you could arrive before you left. At the speed of light, different story. Time would not pass in the frame of reference of the car but would for an observer at some other speed. I hope the driver turned on his lights before he left. Also would be a problem if he changed his mind during his trip (grin). -*- 92406 22-APR 15:27 General Information RE: Think about it... (Re: Msg 92401) From: NETCRUISER To: WA2EGP (NR) ow! qquit it! you're making my head hurt ;/ -*- End of Thread. -*- 92397 21-APR 23:15 General Information press return to continue? From: JEJONES To: GREGL What's causing that stray "Welcome....press RETURN to continue" message? It shows up even if I have /length = 0, and it's keeping InfoXpress from getting into the forum. -*- 92407 22-APR 16:15 General Information RE: press return to continue? (Re: Msg 92397) From: TEDJAEGER To: JEJONES I don't know but it has stopped my infoXpress as well! Let me know if you find out, please! --TedJaeger -*- 92410 22-APR 21:34 General Information RE: press return to continue? (Re: Msg 92397) From: JOHNBAER To: JEJONES Yep! I found out the hardway also . InfoXpress dies on entering this SIG. Just for grins, I told IX to skip this sig and tried all the others that I read. Found that only the OS-9 Sig has this problem. I do hope that this does get fixed fast. John - Posted `Live at this time' :( -*- 92411 22-APR 22:42 General Information RE: press return to continue? (Re: Msg 92397) From: DBREEDING To: JEJONES > What's causing that stray "Welcome....press RETURN to continue" message? > It shows up even if I have /length = 0, and it's keeping InfoXpress from > getting into the forum. Yeah, Just found that little "gotcha", too.. Just fired up and went to take a shower and came back to see the darn thing off-hook and IX at the main menu (and me paying l/d ) Reckon they've changed something here? I just went into another window and typed echo >/t2 and got in. Kinda kludgy, but it works -- David Breeding -- CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING *** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0 *** -*- 92421 23-APR 13:31 General Information RE: press return to continue? (Re: Msg 92407) From: DBREEDING To: TEDJAEGER > I don't know but it has stopped my infoXpress as well! Let me know > if you find out, please! > --TedJaeger A bugger, isn't it ... I already posted this (after your post), but just in case you missed it, when the system stops, I go into another window and issue the command "echo >/t2" (or whatever port you're using). It's getting me in, sloppy, but it works... -- David Breeding -- CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING *** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0 *** -*- 92426 23-APR 17:08 General Information RE: press return to continue? (Re: Msg 92421) From: MITHELEN To: JEJONES Sorry for messing all you off-line reader users up guys! My fault! I added a ".page" pause to the begining of the main sig banner to allow a chance for people to read the Delphi login messages before the screen cleared, and the banner was printed... I didn't expect this to cause problems, but I guess it did . And to make matters worse, I was outa town all weekend so I didn't find out about it til just a few minutes ago... It is back to the way it used to be... Sorry for the problems... -- Paul Jerkatis OS-9 Sig Database Manager -*- 92430 23-APR 21:05 General Information RE: press return to continue? (Re: Msg 92397) From: HAWKSOFT To: JEJONES > What's causing that stray "Welcome....press RETURN to continue" message? > It shows up even if I have /length = 0, and it's keeping InfoXpress from > getting into the forum. > Hi James!!! Dunno why, but, it hapened to me just the last time. The temporary solution was to flip to another window and type: display d >/t3 (modem port) If it keeps up it IS going to bug me tho!!!! Chris :-> :-> :-> :-> :-> :-> :-> Chris "HAWKSoft" <-: <-: <-: <-: <-: <-: <-: Delphi: HAWKSOFT Internet: HAWKSOFT@DELPHI.COM ******************< Uploaded w/ InfoXpress vr. 1.02.00 >****************** -*- End of Thread. -*- 92398 22-APR 01:00 General Information OS manuals From: MRUPGRADE To: ALL I have a bunch of OS-9 Lev II manuals,, + Mv's,, and othe r miscel OS programs. I don't care to make theh 8 hr drive myself,, but can send 'em if someone can put 'em at their booth??? Tilthen,, Terry g -*- 92403 22-APR 14:17 General Information Complete CoCo3 OS-9 Package. From: CARL_D To: ALL Can someone give me a bit of advice? I'm planning on picking up a 512K CoCo3 at the Chicago CoCoFest. I'd like to run an updated OS-9 system on it. Unfortunately I've been out of the CoCo Commun- ity for a while and I'm not sure what a system would include these days. I'd figure on the following. 1) 512K CoCo3 2) CM-8 or Composit Monitor 3) Minimum 2 Floppy's, preferably some sort of larger size drive or a hard drive. 4) Multi-Pak 5) 6309 Upgrade (preferable but not essential) 6) NitrOS-9 (or regular OS-9 with upgrade patches) 7) Multi-Vue 8) Assorted sharware and manuals any additions? comments? P.S. I really want to stay with the CoCo3 rather than an MM/1 or other OS-9 system. -*- 92420 23-APR 13:31 General Information RE: Complete CoCo3 OS-9 Package. (Re: Msg 92403) From: DBREEDING To: CARL_D > Can someone give me a bit of advice? > I'm planning on picking up a 512K CoCo3 at the Chicago CoCoFest. I'd like > P.S. I really want to stay with the CoCo3 rather than an MM/1 or other > OS-9 system. Well, it all depends on what you want to do. The CoCo is still, IMO, a viable machine, but unless you are interested for the nostalgic value, you might be better advised as to go with OSK. It appears that development for the CoCo is slowing down, and by the time you paid for a complete CoCo system, it would be a good start toward an OSK system. But again, this decision is up to you. One suggestion, nowadays, I would prefer to have a 3-1/2" floppy drive in the system, if not two. If you don't have a hard drive, this would be an especially good move. You can use the 1.44 meg drives (cheap as a 720K drive and 720's are getting hard to come by) and then use the Dbl-Density disks and it will work well. That way, if you ever get another system, you can use these drives if you decide to abandon your coco. -- David Breeding -- CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING *** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0 *** -*- 92425 23-APR 15:19 General Information RE: Complete CoCo3 OS-9 Package. (Re: Msg 92420) From: CARL_D To: DBREEDING (NR) Thanks David Yes, I'm partly picking up a CoCo3 for the nostalgic value, and also because it was probably my favorite machine. I've got a PC and don't really need an OSK system. Appreciate the info on 1.44 m eg drives. -*- End of Thread. -*- 92405 22-APR 15:24 General Information clbs From: NETCRUISER To: ALL im looking for a Co Co club here in the washington D.C. area/northern VA. any info? -*- 92423 23-APR 14:20 General Information RLL HD Troubles. From: 01GEN40 To: ALL Hello to all, Well, once again, I am in search of some problem solving. Basically, what I am doing is trying to upgrade my CoCos hard drive from an MFM to an RLL. (No I am not tring to make my MFM an RLL, that is beyond the scope of my skills, and is probably impossible anyway). In doing so, I have run into one minor problem. First the info: My current system consists of: CoCo 3, HD63B09EP cpu, 512K Memory Old style MPI w/new PAL chip and all pins #8 strapped. FD control- ler in slot 4, HD controller in slot 3. Slot 2 empty, modem is in slot 1. HD interface is B&B XT-RTC w/XT-ROM Controller is a WD1002A-WX1 (MFM) Hard drive is a Seagate ST-225 20Meg My new (to me) hardware......: Controller, WD1002A-27X (RLL) Hard drive, Seagate ST-238R 30Meg I have used 'ddmaker' to make 2 different descriptors, why? To have 32 sectors per track, 940 tracks needs to be specified. To have 48 sec- tors per track, 615 tracks needs to be specified. Now, here is the problem. Using both of the parameter setups stated above, when trying to format the hard drive I receive ERROR #208 - Il- legal Service Request. I have made 1 major modification to the controller card, I removed the "ROM" and soldered in a socket so I could use my XT-ROM. No other modifications were made. I know that this hard drive works. I pulled it from my sons IBM XT when I gave him a 286 for Christmas last year. It worked flawlessly in the XT. It runs smooth and quite! My 20Meg, running as it is, sounds like it is about to "toss its cookies" all over my desk. I have to shut it down when I am not doing any disk accesses otherwise I lose access to it. If anyone has had any RLL experience and may have a solution to my problem, I would be most appreciative. Thanks in advance. See ya among the stars... LONG LIVE OS-9! ** In whatever form it is in! Peace and Long Life... Siran of Vulcan (CMDR) -= GEN =- -*- 92429 23-APR 20:14 General Information RE: RLL HD Troubles. (Re: Msg 92423) From: WDTV5 To: 01GEN40 (NR) Humm, I'm still scanning the dld msg, hang on. I do, having battled with exactly that setup for nearly 6 years here. It got retired 2 years ago though, bought a disto 4n1 with scsi. End of problems. One thing I'm not getting out of your msg is which slot the new controller is going in. I hope you remembere that the slot number you give ddmaker is one LESS than the slot its in. I did have mine in slot 3, and when I got the scsi up and running, I just dircopied the seagate over to the maxtor and went on about life. Now, the error 208 could also be in the clock vewrsion. Does your clock self set and keep time as well as the B&B clock chip can? Mine wasn't too good, off by 10 mins a month at best. I don't see anything wrong with the rest of the setup, and, by specing the slot numbers correctly, you can actually run both drives at the same time if you've power enough. I do, ppc supply on the back of the table runs it all. I'd run both if I could, at least long enough to get the error maker running. That was my experience with the setup. I had the most classroom time in os9 file structures on a hard drive 101 that you could imagine. And I too had that error 208 a couple of times, but that was years ago now. Clock slot #, drive slot #, and possibly a bad define in the descriptor are all that come to mind right now tho. ?? didja put the -27x inbn the same XT-RTC, or a different one? Wish I had it hnd it in a minute or 30. Cheers Gene, Gene -*- 92443 24-APR 17:10 General Information RE: RLL HD Troubles. (Re: Msg 92423) From: NETCRUISER To: 01GEN40 (NR) 1 you CAN make an MFM act like an RLL. not advisable. definite Bad Thing. 2 talk to B&B. he'll walk you through it, if need be. I cant say enough about his support. I wouldnt have mine working now if it wasnt for him. BTW, we are using the same HD controller. Ill have to quote your message again to see if the HD was similar, and if it is, I could mail you a disk as soon as i find a mailer. TTYL -*- End of Thread. -*- 92431 23-APR 21:32 General Information UUdecoding From: TEDJAEGER To: ALL Could anyone tell me what that number in the begin line of a uuencoded file means? I have a begin line reading: begin 644 ..... Could it be the number of lines that uudecode will try to decode? Thanks! Bests ---TedJaeger -*- 92435 23-APR 22:30 General Information RE: UUdecoding (Re: Msg 92431) From: RANDYKWILSON To: TEDJAEGER (NR) Ted, It's the file attributes, Unix style. In octal. Simplifying a bit, 4 = read, 2= write, and 1 = execute. Unix has permissions for owner, group, and public. So in this case, it is owner read/write, and group and public read only. And before ye "loud mouths" (:> ) jump for the reply key, yes, Unix attributes are more complex than that. But when was the last time you uuencoded a searchable directory or a symbolic link? :> Randy -*- 92440 24-APR 08:12 General Information RE: UUdecoding (Re: Msg 92431) From: JEJONES To: TEDJAEGER (NR) > Could anyone tell me what that number in the begin line of a > uuencoded file means? I have a begin line reading: > > begin 644 ..... > > Could it be the number of lines that uudecode will try to decode? Nope...it's the octal (!) permission bits for the file--it's the raw Unix permission bits, so anyone writing a uudecode will want to map them to corresponding permissions for OS-9. Opinions herein are solely those of their respective authors. -*- End of Thread. -*- 92432 23-APR 21:32 General Information SEGA power supply From: TEDJAEGER To: ALL My son's SEGA power supply is broken and my wife went to Radio Shack and came home with a universal power supply. The voltage and polarity have to be set so I'm wondering if anybody knows the appropriate settings for a SEGA GENESIS. I can tell you that the male connector is in the SEGA case and the power supply side connector must be female. Does this dictate polarity? Bests ---TedJaeger -*- 92434 23-APR 21:48 General Information ALL From: REVWCP To: ALL Hi folks- I've really been missing my delphi account- enough to post this through my friend Br. Jeremy. Loneliness is a terrible force... sorry it's all in one bunch! windoze- when in doubt, rip out the users set up. Establish doubt with all or nothing set up- then cross examine users all. When all else fails, fail. Don't provide a useful uninstall and don't leave any copies of the original setup. Sure, thats fair. I have many programs installed that might not be run for weeks on end. If each modified my boot file to elimiate even the DOS they ran under (like windont- which runs _under_ the MSDOS it just half killed) I'd be a bit miffed. Kind of like MVue deleting shell and repointing cc3/sysgo transparently. The difference between a floppy and hard drive CoCo (OS9) is greater than the difference between a 8088 and a 486, given the same i/o and display on the intels. RRL actually nets more sectors per track. With BB's weird sector combiner, the math don't work- start with a 1 track format, bump sectors to error, remath MFMsize*1.5/actual spt Paul should get a kudo for 'fessing up'. OS/2 is _it_. WfWG is lame, and only switch tasking anyway. And the blatantly commercial part- Fast232 is here. Your typical 16550 serial port..... see ya'll at the fest! 'Posted with Fast232 (/t2) and ds (fast again, ANSI over /t3)' -ricku Rick Ulland CoNect rickuland@delphi.com 1819 North 53rd Street "Operating System Nine"-268m Wauwatosa, WI 53208 -*- 92436 23-APR 23:21 Programmers Den Thanks(Problem Solved) From: THETAURUS To: ALL I just wanted to let everyone know that my problem regarding the Syscall from Basic09 has been solved. Thanks to everyone involved who helped me out. Randy got to me in last Monday's conference before I had a chance to read the replies in forum and told me what I was doing wrong(again). It now works fine and I'm going to take it from there. Since I'll be using Syscall more in the future you can still count on hearing me cry for help some more(but I promise I won't make the same mistake a third time). Oh yeah, to Dave Breeding, about using SS.Devnm. I'll look into that and check it out, but I'm not familiar with that one yet. I'll let you know if it works. Thanks for the advice. See Ya >Chris< -*- 92437 23-APR 23:21 General Information Conference Reminder From: THETAURUS To: ALL Tomorrow (Monday) at 10:00 PM Eastern Time, we'll be having another Open Forum conference. Don't be afraid to stop by and say "Hi", or anything else short of a flame(Grin). Our last Open Forum was a pretty big one, so let's make this one even bigger and get way ahead of ourselves! There's a Cocofest coming up and both the Glennside Color Computer Club and the OS-9 User's Group released the latest issues of their respective newsletters, so that gives us a conversation right there. If not, someone is going to show up wanting to know how to transfer files from an OS-9 Disk to a PC disk or DECB disk and vice versa, so... See ya then! >Chris< -*- 92439 24-APR 03:32 General Information Fest Attendance From: NIMITZ To: ALL Since I can't get ahold of Tony P., this note is to notify the Glenside folks that BlackHawk Enterprises, Inc. will be at the Fest. Arrangements for the trip are underway. Folks, I've had to change jobs, started a new college degree, had my girlfriend go into the hospital, and had to deal with the aftermath of this damned bombing among my patients in the last month, so please, do not expect a big improvement in my fest layout this time. My plans have been drasticly changed! Sorry. But, I will have a floptical drive, 4-5 SCSI Drives (105ers) and some 512K coco memory upgrades, and the PUPPO keyboard adapter for sale. Plus a major upgrade to KTerm,, and the Ribbs port beta in PD form. -*- FORUM>Reply, Add, Read, "?" or Exit> -