read new nonstop follow 92683 23-MAY 19:02 System Modules (6809) $xy From: DOMM To: RANDYKWILSON Randy--- OK now I know what you meant by $xy: $x9=/d0 $xa=/d1 $xc=/d2 I see though going from /d0 to /d1 was one number jump and that going from /d1 to /d2 was two. I've tried y=b and both /d0 and /d1 came on. What then would say...drive 3 selection need for y? (D?-E?) So far I've made sucessful boots from all three drives. ---Dom -*- 92688 23-MAY 22:06 System Modules (6809) RE: $xy (Re: Msg 92683) From: RANDYKWILSON To: DOMM The answer gets into binary math a bit. The byte we are twiddling is not used by the hardware as a number. It is used as a set of eight on/off flags (eight bits to a byte, ya know). A partial listing is: bit 7 control bit 6 Side select. Tandy used as drive three select bit 5 control bit 4 control bit 3 drive motors on bit 2 drive 2 select bit 1 drive 1 select bit 0 drive 0 select. The individual bits can be represented in hex as: 7 = $80 6 = $40 5 = $20 4 = $10 3 = $08 2 = $04 1 = $02 0 = $01 Enough background. We had three patch points. The first and last contained the representation of motor_on (bit 3) and drive_select. The middle one had those two things, plus one control bit (bit 5, $20, precomp enable). Thus, the original code, for drive 0, had $09, $29, $09. We patched it for drive two, which means we wanted to set it's bit, and unset drive 0. So now the base is bit 2 (4), bit 3 (8), and bit 5 as needed; $0C, $2C, $0C. When you set the code to use $xB, you then had bits 3, 2, and 1 set. This will give motor on, drive 1, *and* drive 0 selects. As you noted. Now on to your question. To select drive 3 (assuming four singlesided drives), you need to set bit 3 (motor on), bit 6 (drive 3) and for the middle patch, bit 5. this is $40 + $08 and $40 + $08 + $20. $48, $68, $48. Not easy to fit in the simplified X-Y description. :> Randy -*- 92692 23-MAY 23:13 System Modules (6809) RE: $xy (Re: Msg 92688) From: DOMM To: RANDYKWILSON Randy--- Thanks for cluing me into this thing! I have submitted a text file with modpatches for booting from Drive 2. What I will try to add to it will be the y=a instructions for Drive 1. You mentioned four single sided drives in describing drive 3 select. It seems may be that I should stay away from this??? I can't test anything. I have booted sucessfully from /d0,/d1,/d2 , so thats what I'll use. ---Dom -*- End of Thread. -*- 92684 23-MAY 19:06 System Modules (6809) RE: Drive Two Boot (Re: Msg 92679) From: DOMM To: DBREEDING David--- Are you saying that the actual name of your dissasembler is Dynamite+ ??? I did so far download Dasm and Disasm_6309 to start looking around. ---Dom -*- 92687 23-MAY 21:55 System Modules (6809) RE: Drive Two Boot (Re: Msg 92684) From: DBREEDING To: DOMM > Are you saying that the actual name of your dissasembler is Dynamite+ ??? Yes, that's the name of it. I got it years ago.. It's the first (and only one I ever used.. I have disassembled some very large programs with it. Bear in mind that you have to be pretty familiar with what you're doing to interpret a lot of the stuff, and it takes some bit of work to get it down to the original form. But it has been very useful for several things. I suspect that the people are no longer in business, or are are at a different location.. As I said, they are the same people who wrote Dynacalc. I tried their phone # once but got an answering machine and it sounded like it might have been a residence. The address from my Dynamite Manual is: Computer Systems Center 13461 Olive Blvd. Chesterfield, MO 63017 It is rock solid.. You can disassemble OS9 modules, Flex, RS-Dos programs (after moving onto an OS9 Disk. If you can find a used copy, it might be well worth getting. > I did so far download Dasm and Disasm_6309 to start looking around. This seems to be a pretty good program.. I've seen some code posted that looks like it could have come from it, so it appears that it _is_ used by some (maybe several). As I said, Dynamite was so good that I never took the trouble to learn how to use it... It works a little differently than Dynamite. Did you find an assembler? As I said, if you don't have OS9 Level 1, you might find a used copy somewhere. It would be well worth the price to just get the assembler.. (I do believe it was you who was asking?) The assembler that comes with the C compiler and the one that comes in the Level 2 Dev Pak work a little differently, but it's not a _big_ job to convert it to work.. mostly just the header and end info. -- David Breeding -- CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING *** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0 *** -*- 92691 23-MAY 22:54 System Modules (6809) RE: Drive Two Boot (Re: Msg 92687) From: DOMM To: DBREEDING David--- Thanks for the info. I haven't seriously been looking for an assembler yet. I'm in no big hurry for any particular reason so I'd like to make sure its the best I can get under the circumstances. At this point I don't know what I'm doing. ---Dom -*- End of Thread. -*- 92685 23-MAY 21:54 General Information Y or double Y cable From: SMITHBA To: TAULBORG You were asking about using a SC2 with a B&B. I use a Y cable with 4 connectors on it. In on I have a supercontroller 2 with a 2 in 1. the scsi (scuzzy) part of the 2 in 1 is dissabled it conflicted with the B&B. In another connector I have a B&B hard disk adapter I have had no problems using these on a Y cable however I do supply the +12 for the B&B from the PC power supply. I also have my Mprom hooked up the the SC2 and readdresed In the other slot I have a DS69B. If you have any question just reply. ======================================================= Brian Smith Delphi:SMITHBA Internet:smithba@delphi.com ======================================================= -*- 92686 23-MAY 21:55 Telecom (6809) RE: usenet (Re: Msg 92682) From: DBREEDING To: WDTV5 > Thats possible, but I'd rather blame it on a flacky ethernet card > someplace in the delphi system. What I'm told happens is that you may get > a different machine the next time on, and it doesn't kknow (yet) that > you've been there and read the stuffs. That makes a lot of sense.. It could well be what is happening.. I suppose I can live with it. Just will cost me a little more on the phone bill and a little more time sorting through it.. Maybe it is something that will pass.. CYA.. -- David Breeding -- CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING *** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0 *** -*- 92689 23-MAY 22:08 General Information RE: Looking for IMS info. (Re: Msg 92383) From: PAUL8 To: MITHELEN If you ever come back to boston please look me up. Let me know first so I can give you my address and tele #. I do not drink so do not know or care about the drinking laws. Paul - visit Boston - we need your money Happy Sailing; Another Day Above Ground `[1;37;47mRainbow V 1.17.2 for Delphi - Registered -*- 92690 23-MAY 22:48 New Uploads RE: File Upload to Delphi (Re: Msg 92681) From: JOHNBAER To: DOMM > I left a message in the trouble section but fear that wasn't the way to > fix things. > > How do I make sure of this? If you already submitted them, just leave Paul (MITHELEN) a message and tell him which one to keep. John - -*- 92693 23-MAY 23:17 New Uploads RE: File Upload to Delphi (Re: Msg 92690) From: DOMM To: JOHNBAER John--- I did finally come to my senses and realized that. Paul has already contacted me. Thanks. ---Dom -*- End of Thread. -*- 92694 24-MAY 00:05 System Modules (6809) pro From: WDTV5 To: ALL Hi all, has anyone got Alan Dekoks email addr? I seem to have miss-filed it here. Thanks, gene -*- 92695 24-MAY 00:09 Programmers Den alans addr From: WDTV5 To: RANDYKWILSON Thanks Randy, Cheers, Gene -*- 92696 24-MAY 22:19 General Information Fix your IX script file NOW From: JOHNBAER To: ALL Well gang, if you haven't found out by now, you will real soon. It seens a few `Sigs' have been moved off the Computing Menu to a sub-menu called `Add'l Systems & Software'. Here's a copy: COMPUTING GROUPS Menu: ** SYSTEMS & SOFTWARE ** ** NEWS & ANNOUNCEMENTS ** Amiga SIG Media & Computer News Atari Advantage Product Announcements BBS SIG Desktop Publishing SIG ** INTERNET ** Gateway 2000 Support SIG Related Computer Usenet Groups Games PC/MAC Shareware WWW pages - computer companies Graphics SIG Macintosh ICONtact ** OTHER ** PC Compatibles/IBM Delphi Software & Navigators Shareware Outlet (SDN) File Transfer Tips Software Reviews Add'l Systems & Software Exit COMPUTING> add Additional Systems Menu: AppleII Portable Place Color Computer Tandy PC SIG Commodore SIG TI Intl Users Net Midrange Systems Exit OS9 On-Line So, you users of InfoXpress will have to include the word `add' soon to get to the OS-9 Sig & the CoCo Sig. Note too that the word coco won't work now.. you have to use `color' to get there. Nice of Delphi to tell us about the changes in advance (ya, right). John - -*- 92697 24-MAY 22:28 OSK Applications DBASE for MM/1 From: VAXELF To: ALL Bill, I saw a DBASE program for the MM/1 at the Chicago Fest, but didn't get a chance to look at it or talk to you about it. Could you send me some info about it. Also is it DBASE2 compatible?? John D. -*- 92706 27-MAY 20:44 OSK Applications RE: DBASE for MM/1 (Re: Msg 92697) From: NIMITZ To: VAXELF John, the Budgetware folks were showing a C library to handle FoxBase data and index files. I should think they would be DBase compatible at some level, if I recall my ancient DOS history correctly (no guarantees!) -*- 92716 28-MAY 18:53 OSK Applications RE: DBASE for MM/1 (Re: Msg 92697) From: JEJONES To: VAXELF > I saw a DBASE program for the MM/1 at the Chicago Fest, but didn't > get a chance to look at it or talk to you about it. > Could you send me some info about it. Also is it DBASE2 compatible?? I'm not sure whether this is what you saw, but...Budgetware had something for sale called OSK-Base. It's not MM/1 specific, because it's a library of routines for manipulating databases of the sort that dBASE III and Foxbase+ use. You can write your own interface around it, in C or in Microware BASIC (what they call BASIC09 on OS-9/68000 :-). Opinions herein are solely those of their respective authors. -*- 92727 29-MAY 17:24 OSK Applications RE: DBASE for MM/1 (Re: Msg 92716) From: VAXELF To: JEJONES That must have been what I saw. Thanks for the info. I was not sure if it was a complete DBASE package or just utilities to access such files. John D. -*- End of Thread. -*- 92698 25-MAY 01:47 General Information RE: IDE Hard drive adapter? (Re: Msg 92614) From: BROWN80 To: DISTO Even though I have a good MFM, I know that nothing lasts forever. I'd like one John Brown -*- 92699 25-MAY 22:05 General Information ? From: DOMM To: ALL Is it because they gave os2 the "OS" space that OS9 had that no-one was told of the switch? Not nice guys! (But I guess money talks!) ---Dom -*- 92700 26-MAY 22:58 OSK Applications BMP pics From: VAXELF To: ALL Does anyone know where I can find a graphic viewer for BMP or PCX pics? john D. -*- 92701 27-MAY 08:02 General Information SCREWY SCREENS From: RONMAGOO To: ALL Recently I aquired a custon Coco 1 meg Disto hard drive system in a PC case. After 4-5 hours running (not contineous) I lost the cursor and Sign-on screen. I get either a green screen or assorted colors and patterns. Sometimes the drives come on intermitently. I have a spare 512K machine. I tested the gime- it's OK, the memory boards are not. QUESTIONS 1. WHAT BLEW THE MEMORY CHIPS? On the 1 meg board there are stoppers that keep the pins raised 3/8". They were heavly clogged with dust and fuss. Could this cause the chips to blow? 2. Would ALL the chips necessarly be blown? What is the most practical way to test memory chips? I have a friend with an ossioscope. 3. Where is the least expensive source of replacement chips? 4. Behond being 16 pins and having the #1256 in common- what else indentifies these chips? Isn't there something like ns or cos etc.? 5. Is there anything besides the gime and memory chips that could likely cause the problems I have indicated? ANY INPUT WILL BE APPRECIATED ! -= RON =- -*- 92703 27-MAY 17:20 General Information RE: SCREWY SCREENS (Re: Msg 92701) From: WDTV5 To: RONMAGOO Well, if you're also running an mpi, the contacts for either the edge connectors in the side of the coco, or the ones in the pack itself might be getting dirty. Wipe with alchohol, not rubbing, but paint store stuffs. Wiggling everything will often fix it for a week or 2 if thats the case. Cheers, Gene -*- 92715 28-MAY 13:34 General Information RE: SCREWY SCREENS (Re: Msg 92703) From: RONMAGOO To: WDTV5 No, I am using a Disto 4 in 1 board. However dirty contacts still could be the culprite. Thanks for the suggestion. -= RON =- -*- 92725 28-MAY 23:32 General Information RE: SCREWY SCREENS (Re: Msg 92715) From: WDTV5 To: RONMAGOO (NR) Sure could, I had a crash the other night, first in quite a while that I didn't bring on, and it would not reboot! I finally gave up, shut it down for the nite, wiggled it all the next morning, and its been working ever since. I hafta do that at about 90 day intervals it seems, even if I don't smoke anymore, my wife does. I used to blame it on my smoking, but the need to wash screens hasn't reduced a bit in the 5 years it been since I stuck one of them things in my face. I'm about due to strip it all and give them a good scrubbing again. Worst offender by far is any card thats got "solder plated" coating on it. Even with a gold wash on the contacts it mates with, there is no way in he** it will ever make an oxide tight connection. I've got 2 packs that are made that way, and the mpi itself was until I got upset one night, sawed the nose off and soldered a gold plated set of fingers in its place. MUCH more dependable now. Next to get the saw is gonna be my WP-RS pack. Havta warn ya tho, finding an old card from a pc that has a suitable gold-plated area to saw off that doesn't also have interlayer shorts is a bit of a search. Good luck - Gene -*- 92728 30-MAY 01:12 General Information RE: SCREWY SCREENS (Re: Msg 92701) From: ADITNAVEL To: RONMAGOO (NR) In reguards to your problem, I had something similar happen when I upgraded my 512K system to the 1 Meg upgrade. In my system, I had a Hardware screensaver I can"t remember the name of it now, that I had pusrchased and installed in my coco. Everythig worke d OK for a while, but after a while things went nuts. Apparently, the scrren saver and the 1 Meg upgrade were NOT compatible. After I removed the Scrren saver, all was OK. If your system has ahardware scrren saver , it is an epoxy Blob with 5 or 6 wires coming out and is either soldered to or "test clipped" to various transsitors/chips. Take it out, and things should work again. I hope this is of some help. -*- End of Thread. -*- 92702 27-MAY 12:26 General Information Memorial Day?? From: MRUPGRADE To: ALL As kindly posted by Delphi, be aware several services don't recognize memorial day. Why not? Why can't Delphi recognize Memorial Day? Our nation set aside a day when we can recognize those who died protecting our freedom. Putting aside you feelings of right or wrong of Vietnam; many Americans died answering a call by our country they believed to be right. Or would they also argue, we were wrong to defend ourselves against the bombing at Pearl Harbor and Hitler? Many Amercanas died in a successful attempt to keep Hitler from ruling the world. We set aside a day to recognize them. As well many choose too visit gravesights with flowers, etc of their loved ones on this day. All banks, government offices, and about any business aside from grocery store and gas stations CLOSE IN RECOGNITION OF OUR DEAD. We are not talking about money here,,, the businesses are CLOSED. We are talking about a computer network that is in essance saying "your dead loved ones aren't important"! Granted, I don't know all the why's and wherefores. It may not be Delphi Service utimately at fault. Perhaps it is the SPRINTNET & TYMNET service they use? What do you think? Is a day set aside to recognise our loved ones who had died "just anouther week day"? Or is the SMACK IN FACE of those who believe Memorial Day is, what it is? Go to EMAIL and leave a message to SERVICE. If the problem lies with subscriber NETS, ask that they be forwarded. Computers may be made up of cold wires and plastic. But the people running them are supposed to be warm blooded. On this subject I feel more warmth,,, from my CPU! Terry Simons Des Moines, Iowa -*- 92704 27-MAY 17:23 General Information RE: Memorial Day?? (Re: Msg 92702) From: WDTV5 To: MRUPGRADE Fiirst off, Terry, it isn't delphi! According to the posting, its SprintNet and TymeNet who don't discount the holidays. So if ya want to holler at somebody, pick up the phone and holler at your 1-800 SprintNet/TymNet representative. Cheers - Gene -*- 92705 27-MAY 19:03 General Information RE: Memorial Day?? (Re: Msg 92704) From: MRUPGRADE To: WDTV5 I believe I did mention that in t the post. But will give'em a call. If I can get their number???? . (~~~~~~~~~~~~))) (---- -----))) l l l\\\\ l l l~~~~ il l l l hen l l l erry g \\\\\\\ ~~~~~~~ * Hooked on phonics works real well * * huked on foniks, a grate wae to spel * -*- 92708 27-MAY 22:47 General Information RE: Memorial Day?? (Re: Msg 92705) From: NIMITZ To: MRUPGRADE No Terry, you mentioned that it MIGHT BE Sprintnet or Tymenet. The message on signon clearly said that it IS Sprintnet, and Tymenet. Thus it has been, and (hopefully not) always shall be, per omnia seculorum (or whatever). Anyway, before opening mouth, please engage brain and READ carefully. I'm always ready to jump in a good cause, but let's do as Davy Crockett advised, and BE SURE WE'RE RIGHT, before going ahead! -*- 92709 27-MAY 23:49 General Information RE: Memorial Day?? (Re: Msg 92705) From: WDTV5 To: MRUPGRADE seems to me there is a help function giving g the voice numbers down at the main menu or thereabouts. I've used it a couple of times but not recently enough to remember. My dram refresh rate is getting slow in the later years and its now dropping bits here and there. Cheers, Gene -*- 92710 28-MAY 11:13 General Information RE: Memorial Day?? (Re: Msg 92708) From: MRUPGRADE To: NIMITZ RE> Before opening your mouth, please engauge brain... Good advise. Why don't(broad smile) you take it. Reread th post. I DID mention Sprintnet & Tymenet. . (~~~~~~~~~~~~))) (---- -----))) l l l\\\\ l l l~~~~ il l l l hen l l l erry g \\\\\\\ ~~~~~~~ * Hooked on phonics works real well * * huked on foniks, a grate wae to spel * -*- End of Thread. -*- 92707 27-MAY 21:22 General Information CDRom drives From: HAWKSOFT To: ALL Howdy All!!! As you all probably know, We sold out of the $200 CDRom drive packages at the Chicago 'fest. Well I've located another source and if there is still interest, I'll pick up some more. I may have to chage a little extra for shipping tho. Anyone still interested please send me E-Mail. Thanks! Chris :-> :-> :-> :-> :-> :-> :-> Chris "HAWKSoft" <-: <-: <-: <-: <-: <-: <-: Delphi: HAWKSOFT Internet: HAWKSOFT@DELPHI.COM ******************< Uploaded w/ InfoXpress vr. 1.02.00 >****************** -*- 92711 28-MAY 11:34 General Information RE: Fest (Re: Msg 92668) From: 01GEN40 To: DBREEDING Hi Dave, Yes, I do have my OS9Boot file on my HD. I have the kernal on the HD as well, track 127 i do believe. The problem with have a floppy boot match that which is on the HD is that the Boot module has to be patched to its original form so that it will look for the kernal on tracks 128 and 129. I think that this may have been my problem with that backup boot floppy. It was trying to load the kernal from track 128 when there is no track 128 on a floppy. I use the "logbook" file in my sys directory to keep track of all my hardware, software and boot modifications. I am still having a pro- blem with trying to get this RLL HD working on this CoCo. I have a feeling that I may have a serious hardware problem, maybe in this CoCo. For the past 6 months or so, I have been experiencing so very drastic system crashes. I did just last Sunday, 5/21, when I was trying to format the RLL hd as an MFM. A few months ago I had some repetative crashes as I was working on a program I am writing. It, the program, worked fine for a while, as designed, then all of a sudden I was getting these crashes, this with hardly any modifica- tion to the program. This CoCo was a used one when I upgraded to the 6309 CPU that is in it. I will get my original CoCo down off the shelf and use it for a while to see if the problem persists. If the crashes stop, I will have to find someone that can do system diagnostics/repair on the CoCo 3. You know, I just had a thought. I have 3 512K boards in 3 different CoCo 3s. I may just swap memory boards first. I do not know how extensive the memory test in the B&B XT-ROM is. It has not told me that there are any problems, but then again it could just be testing to see how much memory is installed, I do not know. I will keep in touch. Thanks for the reply... See ya among the stars... LONG LIVE OS-9! ** In whatever form it is in! Peace and Long Life... Siran of Vulcan (CMDR) -= GEN =- -*- 92722 28-MAY 22:05 General Information RE: Fest (Re: Msg 92711) From: DBREEDING To: 01GEN40 (NR) > Yes, I do have my OS9Boot file on my HD. I have the kernal on the > HD as well, track 127 i do believe. The problem with have a floppy > boot match that which is on the HD is that the Boot module has to be > patched to its original form so that it will look for the kernal on > tracks 128 and 129. I think that this may have been my problem with > that backup boot floppy. It was trying to load the kernal from track > 128 when there is no track 128 on a floppy. Wouldn't you need to use an entirely different boot kernel to load from a floppy? (Not sure, were you wanting to load your os9boot from the floppy, too?).. Never having fooled with a HD boot for the coco, I'm not sure how it works. Is your disk ROM chip (that goes inside your floppy controller) also modified with an altered DOS command? On the surface, it seems like it would be a little difficult to switch back and forth. One feature I like about my OSK system, it starts up with a menu giving you a choice of what you wish to boot from.. Mine defaults to IDE drive /h0, but you can boot from /d0, /d1 (which I don't have), IDE /h1, SCSI, (seems like others, too). Makes it easy to switch). > I use the "logbook" file in my sys directory to keep track of all my > hardware, software and boot modifications. If you don't have something like that, you're bound to get lost... > I am still having a pro- > blem with trying to get this RLL HD working on this CoCo. I have a > feeling that I may have a serious hardware problem, maybe in this > CoCo. Did you have the RLL working before? Or are you trying to install it? > For the past 6 months or so, I have been experiencing so very > drastic system crashes. I did just last Sunday, 5/21, when I was > trying to format the RLL hd as an MFM. Could it have to do with transfer rates? MFM would be slower, wouldn't it? Might the coco be timing out or something? > A few months ago I had some > repetative crashes as I was working on a program I am writing. It, > the program, worked fine for a while, as designed, then all of a > sudden I was getting these crashes, this with hardly any modifica- > tion to the program. Did you check your modification out? How about trying the original version? > This CoCo was a used one when I upgraded to > the 6309 CPU that is in it. Hehe, reminds me of my 6309 upgrade.. I bought an additional coco - didn't want to ruin my only coco - and removed the 6809. I originally tried some Rat-Shack desoldering braid.. I wound up pulling some traces to the CPU loose. I reinstalled them and had to use some wires to reconnect a couple.. I doubted that it would ever work, but I didn't have any problems with it that I thought were due to the work I did.. It was hard to believe. > I may just > swap memory boards first. It would be wise to check out all possibilities.. Sometimes things like this are caused by something that you would least expect. -- David Breeding -- CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING *** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0 *** -*- End of Thread. -*- 92712 28-MAY 11:43 General Information RE: Visability (Re: Msg 92674) From: 01GEN40 To: THETAURUS Hi Chris, And, speaking of the Sourcebook, I still need to fill out the form it get it sent in. One of these days, when I have time and I remember to. It is too bad that the CoCofests are all on the Eastern half of this country. I, myself, cannot afford to attend one of these Fests. I would love too, but... Maybe, one of these days, I will win the Lottery out here and then be able to afford it all, the Fests, a new OS-9 machine... Thanks for the reply... See ya among the stars... LONG LIVE OS-9! ** In whatever form it is in! Peace and Long Life... Siran of Vulcan (CMDR) -= GEN =- -*- 92713 28-MAY 12:02 General Information RE: Visability (Re: Msg 92677) From: 01GEN40 To: NIMITZ You sound like a very wise business man, Sir. I, however, am not, but I doo agree with your statements. Out here in San Diego, we have the, I forget the exect title, West Coast representative for the MM/1. He is also the President of the local OS-9/CoCo User Group. I do think he is shying away from the CoCo, however. When I go to this Computer Expo, in August, I will talk to the members about trying to get some kind of Sales oriented exibit, maybe for the next Expo. It has to start somewhere! I think, if we do not already, we need to get representatives for the other OS-9/68K machines out here as well. I also think that if OS-9 is to make any kind of major impact on the PC world, that the major companies, Micrware, Motorola... will have to partis- ipate in some fastion. Just some of my thoughts... Thanks for the reply... See ya among the stars... LONG LIVE OS-9! ** In whatever form it is in! Peace and Long Life... Siran of Vulcan (CMDR) -= GEN =- -*- 92719 28-MAY 19:24 General Information RE: Visability (Re: Msg 92712) From: THETAURUS To: 01GEN40 (NR) >>Maybe one of these days, I will win the lottery...<< I can sympathise with you. If I won the lottery of time and money I'd personally host a major Coco AND OS-9 fest in each state, plus some in Canada :-) Oh yeah, and would have one of every personal OSK machine :-) Yeah, don't forget to get that form in(it really is pretty easy to fill out). That way, when the UG looks for someone to help set up a fest on the west coastt(DUCKING).....;-) Chris Perrault OS-9 Users' Group Sourcebook Coordinator -*- 92723 28-MAY 22:05 General Information RE: Visability (Re: Msg 92712) From: DBREEDING To: 01GEN40 (NR) > I, myself, cannot afford to attend > one of these Fests. I would love too, but... Maybe, one of these > days, I will win the Lottery out here and then be able to afford > it all, the Fests, a new OS-9 machine... I went for years wanting to go to a Fest. Finally got to go to the Atlanta Fest in '93 and got to go back in '94, but missed the last one.. It was really a great experience. It was really great to get to finally see so many of those faces that went with the names. If you ever get to go to one, by all means do. The worst thing about the '93 fest was that I was with some other people and they wanted to start back just about the time Kevin Darling began his seminar.. That was the one I wanted to be at most, but didn't want to hold them up.. -- David Breeding -- CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING *** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0 *** -*- End of Thread. -*- 92714 28-MAY 12:57 General Information Chopped-up Threads?!?! From: 01GEN40 To: ALL Hello to one and all, Is it just me? I seem to be observing "Chopped-up Threads" in this forum. I will read a thread, come to its end and then run into more of it later on. And, with previous dates than the present (from my perspective). Could this be an anomoly with off-line readers not maintaining the thread, or is it my imagination that this just seems to be happening? Maybe I just need to have my positronic matrix re-polarized! Could be a cascade failure in said matrix! Oh well... See ya among the stars... LONG LIVE OS-9! ** In whatever form it is in! Peace and Long Life... Siran of Vulcan (CMDR) -= GEN =- -*- 92724 28-MAY 22:05 General Information RE: Chopped-up Threads?!?! (Re: Msg 92714) From: DBREEDING To: 01GEN40 (NR) > Hello to one and all, > Is it just me? I seem to be observing "Chopped-up Threads" in this > forum. I will read a thread, come to its end and then run into more > of it later on. What offline reader do you use? I use IX, and I find this often. I figured that it rewrote its data file or something and got them out of order... maybe not, though. Too, I've noticed it when you are dealing with replies to a thread that began before "this" download.. -- David Breeding -- CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING *** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0 *** -*- End of Thread. -*- 92717 28-MAY 18:53 OSK Applications Kientzle book is out! From: JEJONES To: ALL I was at Barnes & Noble, and what did I see before me but *The Working Programmer's Guide to Serial Protocols*, by Tim Kientzle (Coriolis Group Books 1995, ISBN 1-883577-20-9, $40 US, $56 Canada). This is a fine book. It covers mostly the usual serial file transfer protocols one finds in the home computer world ([XYZ]Modem and Kermit), but has a good general discussion of protocols in general, the basics of error detection, and the layers of protocol. The overview it presents gives you the tools to compare and contrast the protocols described in the book, and has hints for those of you who may wish to roll your own file transfer protocol. The book also includes a thorough description of most of the features that have been added to Kermit since da Cruz's book *Kermit: a file transfer protocol* (I say "most" only because book publishing is necessarily not totally up to date--the omissions are very few at the time of this writing). Above all, it's a primo example of what Donald Knuth calls "Literate Programming." It's written in CWEB, which basically lets you write documentation and explanatory material (or even a book!) around a piece of code which is the actual code you feed to the compiler. This book has in it ANSI C sources to implement the protocols described. Included with the book is a floppy (MS-DOS format) with source; IMHO the terms of use and distribution are more than fair. (You're all good people, and I know you'll honor said terms. Right? Right.) IMHO, this book would be worth the price of admission solely for its clear exposition of ZModem along with intelligible ZModem source. If someone asked me about references on the subject of serial protocols, I'd point them at this book and da Cruz. Check it out. Opinions herein are solely those of their respective authors. -*- 92718 28-MAY 19:04 OSK Applications RE: Kientzle book is out! (Re: Msg 92717) From: JEJONES To: JEJONES Oops. I forgot to mention--I bought a copy of the book, of course. Opinions herein are solely those of their respective authors. -*- 92726 28-MAY 23:36 OSK Applications RE: Kientzle book is out! (Re: Msg 92717) From: WDTV5 To: JEJONES Yes, I was also gonna make some noise about the book, its that good IMHO. Not having the checkbook with me, I stood and read about 30 pages in the bookstore. What I read seemed to be spot on, and when I'm there next with my checkbook, I'll own a copy! Cheers, Gene -*- End of Thread. -*- 92721 28-MAY 20:27 Users Group Sourcebook Entry Form From: THETAURUS To: ALL OS-9 Sourcebook Information Form -------------------------------- Name: --------------------------------------------------------------- Business: ----------------------------------------------------------- Address: ------------------------------------------------------------ City: State: ZIP: ---------------- --------------- -------------------- Country: Telephone:( ) - ---------------- --------------------------------- EMail Address: ----------------------------------------------------- Signature: Date: / / ------------------------------------ DD MM YY Would you like information on joining the OS-9 Users Group? o Already a Member! o Yes o No Can this information be passed to OS-9 vendors? o Yes o No Are you available to act as a volunteer for OS-9 o Yes o No projects from time to time? This isn't a commitment. Please indicate your area(s) of interest: o OS-9/6809 o OS-9/68000 o OS-9000 o Programming o Hardware Other ________________________ You use OS-9 primarily for what purpose: o personal use o industrial system o both Please describe briefly your OS-9 computer system(s): Please describe briefly your computer and OS-9 experience: Please describe your OS-9 interests (things you would like to see the UG do, or see in the MOTD), or list any other questions or comments: -*- 92729 1-JUN 01:08 Telecom (6809) Anybody home? From: WDTV5 To: ALL ; Well, here it is a whole 24 hours since I last checked, and NO new msgs. Is everybody speechless or what? Cheers all, Gene -*- FORUM>Reply, Add, Read, "?" or Exit>