From: TURTLE To: THE SPECIALIST Subject: Various $ Date & Time: 02/15/91 00:26:08 Message Number 12202 >Ahgh! We are agreeing again! STOP THAT! Uh...Get us out of the Gulf! =========== From: TURTLE To: THE$SPECIALIST Subject: Give it a Break Date & Time: 02/15/91 00:28:06 Message Number 12203 >Ah, well spoken. Argh! Now YOU stop that! =========== From: TURTLE To: ALL Subject: A/R and the War Date & Time: 02/15/91 00:30:22 Message Number 12204 Since most of the users of this BBS are of the intelligent and well- versed in the state of the world, variety, I'm sure most of you have seen CNN's footage of Patriot missiles shooting down SCUD's...you know, speck of light goes down, speck of light goes up to meet it, bright flash, pieces raining down everywhere. Well, that's the way my message base looked this afternoon. Had a small problem with a hard drive I was using...(You all did notice how fast things were running over the past couple of days, yes?) Hard drive has been disconnected; we're back to floppies again; and a fair number of messages entered in the last couple of days have been garbled or lost completely. If you said anything important recently, best say it again. =========== From: KNIGHT OWL To: DRAGONFLY Subject: ********* Date & Time: 02/15/91 09:32:48 Message Number 12208 You've got me stumped! Is the letter 'Y' used as a vowel? Judging by the fact that it's plural, I assume that it's a thing. SEE YA! -- a stumpeKnight Owl PS, I have a couple of friends workin' on this too. =========== From: TIBERIUS To: SCOTT STEEL $ Subject: trivia Date & Time: 02/15/91 13:17:17 Message Number 12209 >:) (perverted smile) Ahhh! Does that mean you would BOLDLY go where few men have gone before? =========== From: TIBERIUS To: SAAVIK Subject: welcome Date & Time: 02/15/91 13:27:47 Message Number 12210 I see we have another Trekker aboard. Welcome to the discussion, and may I say that, se/eing you are of the female persuasion, I just hope that you are a lovely as the first portrayal of Saavik. Remember who did that? =========== From: DRAGONFLY To: TURTLE Subject: Various $ Date & Time: 02/15/91 14:05:25 Message Number 12211 >Get us out of the Gulf! U.S . out of North America! /Dragonfly/ Uh... wait a sec. Something sounds wrong. =========== From: DRAGONFLY To: KNIGHT OWL Subject: ********* Date & Time: 02/15/91 14:08:09 Message Number 12212 Nope! There are no 'Y's in the word I'm thinking of. Hint number two: the only vowel in the word is the letter 'e.' /Dragonfly =========== From: SCOTT STEEL To: KNIGHT OWL Subject: ********* Date & Time: 02/15/91 16:43:29 Message Number 12213 Yeah, I'm wondering the same thing. Is "Y" used as a vowel? I also have some friends working on this. =========== From: SCOTT STEEL To: TIBERIUS Subject: trivia Date & Time: 02/15/91 16:49:26 Message Number 12214 Ti> Aaah! Does that mean you would BOLDLY go where few men have gone before? Big / / ________ ________ / / I I \ / I I \/ I_____ I_____ I I I I I I I I I I I_______ _____I =========== From: SCOTT STEEL To: TIBERIUS Subject: welcome Date & Time: 02/15/91 16:53:01 Message Number 12215 Ti> I just hope that you are as lovely as the first portrayal of Saavik Ti> Remember who did that? Yep, Kirsty Alye(sp). What a FOX. (she would also fall into that Gates McFedden category) :) =========== From: SCOTT STEEL To: DRAGONFLY Subject: ********* Date & Time: 02/15/91 16:55:36 Message Number 12216 Okay, let explain....no there is too much....let me sum-up. An eight-letter, common English word, with one vowel, the letter E? =========== From: SCOTT STEEL To: SCOTT STEEL Subject: BBS problem Date & Time: 02/15/91 16:57:59 Message Number 12217 Apparently the computer is not saving lines 6 & 7. I can't get it the (to) save full messages. Turtle, I think you might like to know. =========== From: TURTLE To: SCOTT STEEL Subject: ********* Date & Time: 02/15/91 17:34:24 Message Number 12219 Well, I've come up with a common seven-letter English word with one vowel (an I), but no eight letter words... =========== From: TURTLE To: SCOTT STEEL Subject: BBS problem Date & Time: 02/15/91 17:35:35 Message Number 12220 I bet you used backslashes in your message, huh? This software can't store a message which contains a backslash, as FORTRAN uses a backslash as an end-of-line character... =========== From: TURTLE To: SCOTT STEEL Subject: GOT IT!!! Date & Time: 02/15/91 17:36:28 Message Number 12221 I just now thought of a nine-letter word--and a VERY common one, at that--that contains only one vowel, an "E". HA! I guess that makes me the first one, huh? It's plural, too. I win! I win! (Smug grin.) HA ha ha ha ha! =========== From: THE SPECIALIST To: TURTLE Subject: Newbies Date & Time: 02/15/91 19:17:20 Message Number 12222 T>...have the somewhat paranoid habit of sitting in restaraunts with T>thier backs to the wall, No kiddin! So do I! Remember: Just because you ain't paranoid doesn't mean that there's no one out to get you. =========== From: THE SPECIALIST To: TURTLE Subject: Various $ Date & Time: 02/15/91 19:18:47 Message Number 12223 TS>Ahgh! We are agreeing again! STOP THAT! T>Uh...get us out of the Gulf! No, no, we *need* to be there! (Whew...that's better....) =========== From: THE SPECIALIST To: TURTLE Subject: Give it a Break Date & Time: 02/15/91 19:20:06 Message Number 12224 TS>Ah, well spoken. T>Argh! Now YOU stop that! Oh, yeah, um...Bash the homos! =========== From: JONBOY To: KNIGHT OWL Subject: M&M'S Date & Time: 02/15/91 21:35:54 Message Number 12225 KO> To the best of my knowledge, the M's stood sor the first initials .. Actually one was a woman Ethyl M. (not specified anywhere I could find) who split from Mars candy and started her own custom candy factory in Henderson Nevada. There are a couple of outlets there if you go to Las Vegas and they are well worth a splurge into chocolate decadence. Especially the ones with liquors and liquers in them. Yumm! =========== From: JONBOY To: TURTLE Subject: Give it a Break Date & Time: 02/15/91 21:41:09 Message Number 12226 T> for God's sake! I'm turning you into Atheists Anonymous for using the "G" word! (and capitalized no less!) Boy are they gonna tar and feather YOU! (heheheh) --==>* JonBoy *<==-- =========== From: JONBOY To: RUFUS Subject: SChool/SPorts? Date & Time: 02/15/91 21:43:28 Message Number 12227 R> Call me silly, but I always thought school was for education. Gee I thought you'd never ask silly! (sorry - I was weak for but a moment and *pounce* the words just snuck [now there's a good word - how in hell do ya spell it?] up on me) Anyway to the point... (< three if you count them) Most schools like to keep their sports programs high profile because the older (and better off financially) ex-jocks like to remember their old alma mater with financial gifts that get them front row and season seats so they can relive their moments of glory in a vicarious manner. An "I hate jocks" JonBoy =========== From: JONBOY To: SCOTT STEEL Subject: New Topic Date & Time: 02/15/91 21:51:01 Message Number 12228 SS> Advice from a bruger-flipper and adminstration. JB> ^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^ Heah now - hope them thar numbers come out in better order than them letters there pardner! Or is this yet another example of creative accounting at its best? JonBoy =========== From: JONBOY To: TURTLE $ Subject: Slammed Date & Time: 02/15/91 21:57:09 Message Number 12229 T> scream loudly while slamming with great vigor into innocent bystander We used to cut across an alley to get to a Dixieland Jazz bar in San Francisco. To get there we had to cut through a punk bar and actually cross the dance floor and semi-participate/altercate in the fad of the day known as "slam dancing". Actually it was a hell of a lot of fun! =========== From: JONBOY To: THE SPECIALIST Subject: Newbies Date & Time: 02/15/91 22:03:08 Message Number 12230 Sheesh! It was tough enuf just me and you getting together for a chat! I wish we could get some of these dead asses together so we could see what they look like. =========== From: JONBOY To: SAAVIK Subject: Macho Date & Time: 02/15/91 22:05:33 Message Number 12231 S> S> Macho? Star Trek. Naw! It's sensitive! Wow... she's got insight too! I maintained for years that ST was years ahead of its time in being a leading proponent of women and minority rights. They used to tackle some pretty hairy social problems (for that era) such as when they visited the planet where the inhabitant were Roman type "gods" and had telekinesis powers to force the crew to do whatever they wanted. In one scene they had Spock, Uhura, Kirk and Nurse playing like a love scene. For that time having Uhura (a black female) almost kissing Kirk was incredibly brave along the lines of "Look Who's Coming to Dinner". While others think that Shatner was a "ham" - at the time it was very popular for the shows to have a very visible hero. I personally think that Shatner was very charismatic and the entire cast was an act of genius on Roddenberry's part. =========== From: JONBOY To: TIBERIUS Subject: welcome Date & Time: 02/15/91 22:17:23 Message Number 12232 T>se/eing you are of the female persuasion, I just hope that T> you are a lovely as the first portrayal of Saavik. And /what/ - pray tell - would her looks have to do with anything that /really/ matters? Beauty is but icing on a hopefully yummy cake. I would rather that she can carry on a decent train of thought and express herself thoughtfully than worrying about her looks first. Pull in those hormones there Hoss! Speaking of hormones :> where in the heck is Angel and Black Magic? Anyway - let's not put worthless criteria such as "looks" as any sort of primary trait of the denizens of this board. JonBoy =========== From: SCOTT STEEL To: JONBOY Subject: New Topic Date & Time: 02/15/91 22:37:20 Message Number 12233 JB> Or it this yet another example of creative accounting at its best? bruger.....burger adminstration....administration.. Shut up, I can spell. What, I'm not allowed a few typos? Besides at least my handle isn't identical to a fag-ish character on the Waltons =========== From: SCOTT STEEL To: JONBOY Subject: Slammed Date & Time: 02/15/91 22:41:54 Message Number 12234 JB...Dixieland Jazz bar in San Francisco. Sounds like a gay bar to me. =========== From: SCOTT STEEL To: JONBOY Subject: welcome Date & Time: 02/15/91 22:44:14 Message Number 12235 JB> (In reference to Saavik) Beauty is but icing on a hopefully yummy JB> cake. I would rather that she can carry on a decent train of thought and express herself thoughtfully.... So,....what's your excuse? (carrying a decent train of thought) :) =========== From: KNIGHT OWL To: SCOTT STEEL Subject: you too? Date & Time: 02/15/91 23:23:04 Message Number 12238 No, it isn't used in the word. The only vowel is 'e'. - - - - - - - - - Ya! Knight Owl I hope that you're good at Wheel of Fortune, this will prove it. =========== From: KNIGHT OWL To: TURTLE Subject: got it! Date & Time: 02/15/91 23:27:16 Message Number 12239 (holding sledge hammer above shell) What is it? [just kidding, lemme guess on my own] --------s ya! Knight Owl =========== From: KNIGHT OWL To: DRAGONFLY Subject: clue please Date & Time: 02/15/91 23:40:32 Message Number 12240 Is the letter 'E' used to make this thing plural? cars vs floppies ^ ^^ SEE YA! Knight Owl =========== From: SAAVIK To: TIBERIUS Subject: Saavik Date & Time: 02/16/91 00:59:18 Message Number 12241 Which Saavik did you like best, 1st or 2nd. I think Christie Ally (sp?) did a better job portraying the character and she was prettier than the second. Do you like the new ST movies? As to my appearence, I don't have pointed ears except on Halloween when I go to work as the Vulcan Office Manager. I HATE going to the drive thru bank on Halloween. People have no sence of humor. I had to get a T-shirt that said "Don't ask me, I'm just the Vulcan bookkeeper." =========== From: SAAVIK To: SCOTT STEEL Subject: Boldy Date & Time: 02/16/91 01:04:48 Message Number 12242 Or if you were Picard "Baldy go where no man has gone before." =========== From: SAAVIK To: JONBOY Subject: St Date & Time: 02/16/91 01:09:56 Message Number 12243 Amen, Amen. Shatner played Kirk with a hint of Shakespere(sp?) and a pound of macho. By the way, "Look who's coming to dinner" is one of my favorites. Star Trek had many aspects that were "before it's time". That's one reason it was canceled. Just not enough people made noise until it was too late. Shatner was a ham, especially when compared to the others in the show. He often launched into poetic speeches (very shaksperian(excuse the spelling, it's, like, 1:15 am, my eyes are drooping a little). I think a lot of people viewed Star Trek as a corney spoof. But I came away from it with something else, a view of the future and enough fantasy to make me look forward to the Kirk's and Spock's of yet to come. I was a mere child when the original series ran ('nuff said about age) and I believe that watching the show molded a lot of minds about equality between both the sexes and the races. "Give peace a chance" and all that. And..... if all else fails, lock on target and fire torpedoes. But above all, do not break the Prime Directive!!!! =========== From: SAAVIK To: SCOTT STEEL Subject: Easy, dude Date & Time: 02/16/91 01:25:28 Message Number 12244 Now, boys, let's not fight here. I think you both have a beautiful train of thought. Smile and stop insulting each other. =========== From: SCOTT STEEL To: KNIGHT OWL Subject: clue please Date & Time: 02/16/91 10:02:41 Message Number 12245 floppies has two vowels, an "i" and an "e" So it can't be floppies. I'm totally stumped, but I haven't given up yet. =========== From: SCOTT STEEL To: SAAVIK Subject: Saavik Date & Time: 02/16/91 10:04:34 Message Number 12246 SA> Which Saavik did you like best, 1st or 2nd? The first one by far. SA> Do you like to ST movies? The first two were great, the third a little weak, the fourth had too many variables, (The Space-Time Continium)( I just found it hard to believe that the way they haphazardly swing-shooted around the sun was successful, to the exact moment in time.) The fifth was a very big disappointment. SA> I had a T-shirt that said "Don't ask me, I'm just the Vulcan bookkeeper." I like it. I like it. =========== From: SCOTT STEEL To: SAAVIK Subject: prime directive Date & Time: 02/16/91 10:11:14 Message Number 12247 You know that Kirk voilated the prime directive in almost every show. He changed to course of almost every civilaztion they encountered. (DAmn it, that's civilization, not civilaztion.) I was up until 1:00 last tonight, I just wish they had played better episodes. =========== From: TIBERIUS To: SCOTT STEEL Subject: trivia Date & Time: 02/16/91 10:47:26 Message Number 12248 > Big YES Can't say as I blame you. Gates McFadden is one of those women who has the look of a real beauty. Something well-defined and refined. =========== From: TIBERIUS To: JONBOY Subject: welcome Date & Time: 02/16/91 10:50:26 Message Number 12249 Your criticisms are not worth the paper it takes to reply to them. =========== From: TIBERIUS To: SAAVIK Subject: Saavik Date & Time: 02/16/91 10:51:58 Message Number 12250 I agree with both you and Scott that Kirstie Alley was the better Saavik of the two. I eould like to see you on Halloween. Where did you get your Vulcan ears? Every time I hear about a ST convention or such, it is usually past tense. I have been looking for a standard uniform shirt for years. Yes, I enjoy the movies, 'specially IV. Somehow, hearing Spock swear was the most hilarious thing in the galaxy. "Spock! Where are those engines? We need them now!" "One DAMN minute, Captain." Riot! =========== From: SCOTT STEEL To: TIBERIUS Subject: Saavik Date & Time: 02/16/91 12:36:44 Message Number 12251 Yes, I agree, Spock and those "colorful metaphors" That was hilarous. =========== From: TURTLE To: JONBOY Subject: Give it a God Date & Time: 02/16/91 13:03:42 Message Number 12252 >I'm turning you into Atheists Anonymous for using the "G" word! >(and capitalized no less!) Boy are they gonna tar and feather YOU! No doubt; militant atheists are as bad as Fundamentalists. This guy came into McD's a few days ago and purchased his food with a dollar bill that someone with no life had painstakingly secularized...every reference to God, every image that could have any possible religious connotation, no matter how remote (like the eye over the pyramid) had been neatly and painstakingly blackened out with a pen. Geeze...gimme a break! =========== From: TURTLE To: JONBOY Subject: welcome Date & Time: 02/16/91 13:08:10 Message Number 12253 >Speaking of hormones :> where in the heck is Angel and Black Magic? Angel is AWOL; she hasn't logged in or been heard from since last November. Black Magic is absent from the BBS community due to a number of more pressing concerns, like school and frequent trips across the country for trivial reasons. She did call me by voice at 2:30 AM yester- day to tell me she couldn't sleep, though; guess she wanted to share thi particular inability...grr... =========== From: TURTLE To: SCOTT STEEL Subject: New Topic Date & Time: 02/16/91 13:10:53 Message Number 12254 >Shut up, I can spell...handle isn't identical to a fag-ish character on >the Waltons. That's out of line. =========== From: TURTLE To: KNIGHT OWL Subject: got it! Date & Time: 02/16/91 13:13:02 Message Number 12255 >[just kidding, lemme guess on my own] You didn't REALLY think I'd TELL you without gloating for at least a few more days, did you?? :> =========== From: TURTLE To: SAAVIK Subject: St Date & Time: 02/16/91 13:15:04 Message Number 12256 >But above all, do not break the Prime Directive! Funny you should mention that; the first episode I saw of the Trek marathon last night had them doing just that, in a big way. (THE episode is called, I believe, "The Apple;" it's the one with Vaal the computer...) Didn't wait but a couple more hours before they were doing it again ("A private Little War"). And, of course, for sheer dramatic storytelling, nothing can top the hippie episode ("The Way to Eden"...yeah, brother!). Sorry...I just can't see the overwhelming appeal of the oiriginal series. Ahead of its time, yes. Worth watching, yes. Imaginative, yes. Better than the new one, no. Well-acted, no. =========== From: TURTLE To: SCOTT STEEL Subject: clue please Date & Time: 02/16/91 13:19:15 Message Number 12257 Want some more hints? It's a word that's been used on this system a lot; it can be applied to the Gulf War; it's a plural noun that has an adjective form that is spelled completely differently (and is more common)... =========== From: TURTLE To: SCOTT STEEL Subject: ST movies Date & Time: 02/16/91 13:20:51 Message Number 12258 >The fifth was a very big disappointment. The fifth wasn't actually a /movie/ at all; it was simply physical evidence that Leonard Nimoy is a better director than William Shatner. =========== From: TURTLE To: ALL, ESP SAAVIK & SS Subject: ST stuff Date & Time: 02/16/91 13:23:06 Message Number 12259 Hey, a friend of mine is selling off his collection of Star Trek related stuff...has the complete set of Franklin Mint plates he wants to unload as an intact set for $175 (it's worth $240), and several videotapes (commercial, not taped off the air) of the first three movies and the first season episodes he will sell for $10 each. Any takers? On an unrelated note, there is a person in Tampa who's looking for a good home for a ferret, litter-trained and very tame, he's willing to give away, so if you're looking for a pet and want something that'll get into everything, here's your chance... =========== From: BARTMAN To: TURTLE Subject: st Date & Time: 02/16/91 17:50:34 Message Number 12261 How true on that note!! =========== From: KNIGHT OWL To: SCOTT STEEL Subject: clue please Date & Time: 02/16/91 23:22:38 Message Number 12264 'floppies vs cars' was a comparison on how a word is pluralized. Note the 'e' in floppies. That wasn't a guess, just a question. SEE YA! Knight Owl =========== From: KNIGHT OWL To: TURTLE Subject: got it! Date & Time: 02/16/91 23:24:15 Message Number 12265 No, I didn't. That would ruin the challenge for me. =========== From: SCOTT STEEL To: TURTLE Subject: New Topic Date & Time: 02/17/91 03:14:28 Message Number 12266 SS> Shut upt, I can spell...handle isn't identical to a fag-ish SS> Character on the Waltons. T> That's out of line. Yeah, I know, sorry Turtle. =========== From: SCOTT STEEL To: TURTLE Subject: clue please Date & Time: 02/17/91 03:17:36 Message Number 12267 T> Want some more hints? It's a word that's been used on this system a T> lot; it can be applied to the Gulf War; it's a plural noun that has T> an adjective form that is sppelled completely differently ( and is T> more common)... Oh, that's a /big/ help. A totally stumped, Scott Steel (But, I still don't give up.) =========== From: RUFUS To: SCOTT STEEL $ Subject: Univ of New Orl Date & Time: 02/17/91 10:26:26 Message Number 12268 The school obviously had a fairly bad standing. They figured if they got many National Merit Finalists, they could print in thier catalog, "Last year, we had X freshmen enter, of that, Y were National Merit Finalists." I'm not sure exactly why the school was so bad, but considering that half the students left after their first year, there must be something terribly wrong. =========== From: RUFUS To: JONBOY Subject: SChool/SPorts? Date & Time: 02/17/91 10:37:02 Message Number 12269 Regarding your "High progile-ex-jocks-money" idea, I agree that that's true with colleges and universities, but not on a high school level. High schools shouldn't have to solicit funds from their past students. (of course, our school is currently asking for a $4 donation from each student in a science class. Do I see letters going home for a donation for new weights or a football? I doubt it.) =========== From: SAAVIK To: TURTLE Subject: st Date & Time: 02/17/91 21:05:32 Message Number 12273 Ok, Ok, I concede. But for it's time, Star Trek was totally new. I mean look at the other shows people had to choose from. I still like the old star Trek. Yeah, it was corney sometines, Yeah, some of the plots were stupid. Yeah, they broke their own rules. But I like it. And I like the new Star Trek too. But you know what they say about opinions..... =========== From: SAAVIK To: TIBERIUS Subject: ST IV Date & Time: 02/17/91 21:10:09 Message Number 12274 And a double dumb ass to you too. No offence, just a quote. I would love to go to a convention. I hear they have them in Tampa from time to time. If you hear about one, post it. I'll do the same. I got my vulcan ears at Kmart (you're saving place) one Halloween. Last Halloween I had to stop at a store and pick up some cigs, some guy looked at me and said something filthy ( I won't repeat it), I turned around and said, "What are you, some kind of vulcan pervert?" .......... He was. =========== From: SAAVIK To: SCOTT STEEL Subject: Prime Directive Date & Time: 02/17/91 21:14:29 Message Number 12275 There's a book out called Prime Directive about just that. I haven't read it yet myself. My sister taped the marathon so I can watch it with- out using toothpicks on my eyelids. Too bad the characters looked so old in the last movie. I don't think they'll shoot another movie...... I don't know if they make strong enough Geritol for that. Hee heee. They'll have to start a Sons of Star trek. =========== From: MAX To: SCOTT STEEL Subject: New Topic Date & Time: 02/17/91 21:23:07 Message Number 12276 It sounds to me like your test of "endurance" for women was a test of strength. Throwing 10,000 pounds a day of weight is considerably more dependent on muscle power than it is on stamina; from what I've read, the results would be quite different if endurance was tested in something approaching a combat situation. The few female paintball teams out there (not many, you know, because it's a "man's game") are consistently ranked in the upper 25% in national competitions -- not bad when you consider they likely account for less than 5% of the competitors. =========== From: MAX To: THE SPECIALIST Subject: Give it a Rest Date & Time: 02/17/91 21:28:16 Message Number 12277 > Gays use it like it was some sort of talisman to ward off the normal > people. We've been over this before. Discussing homosexuality with you is like discussing evolutionary theory with a Jehovah's witness: they are creationists, you are homophobic, and neither of you will let facts stand in your way. Incidentally, they violently disagree with being labelled "creationist" even though they match the definition perfectly. =========== From: MAX To: THE SPECIALIST Subject: Give Peace agin Date & Time: 02/17/91 21:30:03 Message Number 12278 I don't want to fight for reasons that I consider not worth fighting for. I would encourage anyone to think about what they're being asked to kill and die for. This may be "pacifism," but it's also common sense. There WERE a lot of pacifists in 1776, including most of the leaders of the Revolution. They felt it WAS a cause worth dying for. I do not feel that the "liberation of Kuwait" is such a cause. I don't believe any of the founding fathers would feel it was, either, since we're effectively fighting to RESTORE a monarchy much like the one they fought a war to overthrow. Personally, I don't believe this makes me a hypocrite. Now it's your turn: you seem to advocate following your government blindly, right or wrong. I don't think that makes you patriotic. I think it makes you a sheep. Am I misstating your beliefs, or should I get you some Purina Lamb Chow? =========== From: MAX To: THE SPECIALIST Subject: Faggot friends Date & Time: 02/17/91 21:34:10 Message Number 12279 > "One, Two, Three... *CRUNCH*... Three." Hm. Some very sick jokes could be made about this, considering the source of this quote, but I'll step around this. I could also tell you that you /have/ met a few of my friends who are bisexual, but since it might confuse you, I won't. =========== From: MAX To: BEATLE Subject: Give Peace agin Date & Time: 02/17/91 21:38:50 Message Number 12280 It was mentioned the first time 95 YNF played the song. I believe the proceeds for the song are also mentioned on the single's packaging. =========== From: SCOTT STEEL To: SAAVIK Subject: st Date & Time: 02/17/91 22:30:27 Message Number 12281 Here, here, I agree. True...sometimes corny....some of the plots were stupid...etc. But I still like the old better than the new Star Trek. =========== From: SCOTT STEEL To: SAAVIK Subject: Prime Directive Date & Time: 02/17/91 22:32:49 Message Number 12282 Yeah, I give up at 1:00 am and don't get the see the last four episodes. BTW, what's your favorite episode(s)? I believe that they are going to made a Star Trek VI. =========== From: SCOTT STEEL To: MAX Subject: Give Peace agin Date & Time: 02/17/91 22:36:16 Message Number 12283 Ok, fine I tired of arguing with you too. But answer me thing. What do you think would happen if Hussien was left unchecked? I don't think any country in the Middle EAst (with the exception of Israel) could beat Hussien. Saudi certainly can't, otherwise they would have stepped in before we did. They, too, could benefit from Kuwait's oil fields, plus that would give Saudi direct excess to the Gulf. A pretty good reason to try to take over Kuwait, fi you ask me. =========== From: THE SPECIALIST To: JONBOY Subject: welcome Date & Time: 02/17/91 22:45:39 Message Number 12284 T>...hope that [Savvik] is as beaufiful as the original JB>...and /what/ - pray tell - would her looks have to do with anything JB>/really/ matters? Beauty is but icing on a hopefully yummy cake. JB> I would rather that she can carry on a decent train of thought ... JB> [blah, blah, blah, other see-through bullshit...] Oh, come off it, JB...you are as curious as the rest of us what she look like.... I might have believe your bull except for the analogy you used- "icing on a...yummy cake". Oh, please. Come off it. =========== From: THE SPECIALIST To: SCOTT STEEL Subject: New Topic Date & Time: 02/17/91 22:49:31 Message Number 12285 SS>..my handle isn't identical to a fag-ish character on the Waltons No, no...we all know how studly "Scott Steel" sounds. Especially to the women...oooh! =========== From: THE SPECIALIST To: SAAVIK Subject: Saavik Date & Time: 02/17/91 22:51:43 Message Number 12286 S>Which Saavik did you like best, 1st or 2nd. I think Christy Ally S>did a better job portraying the character and she was prettier YES! Agreed on both points. =========== From: THE SPECIALIST To: RUFUS Subject: Univ of New Orl Date & Time: 02/17/91 23:00:34 Message Number 12287 School sports are a waste of money. Period. School is for learning, and anything else is secondary. Period. =========== From: THE SPECIALIST To: MAX Subject: Give it a Rest Date & Time: 02/17/91 23:03:08 Message Number 12288 M>We've been over this before. Discussing ...blah, blah...you are M>homophobic, and niether...blah, blah, blah, more bullshit, more M>garbage I am not a homophobe, and your poor weak mind can't figure out why I simply hate gays. Is it so foriegn for you to understand? Gays represent the lowest form of life on this earth, and I also include in my comparison PACIFISTS. (Which, incidentally, come in as a close second.) I would appreciate it if in the future, you simply come off your bullshit stance of calling me a term which is inaccurate, and I will continue to use the word PACIFIST. (Which to you, undoubtedly is a COMPLIMENT.) And YES, I am *pleased* to call myself a BIGOT, and shit on you if you don't like it. Deal with it. (Man, you piss me off.) I might also add that the point you brought up can be used on you, since you are wrong and trying to set you straight is difficult to the point where I begin to believe that you simply don't want to believe that SOMEONE out here simply HATES your FAG friends!!! Simple as that. Grr. =========== From: THE SPECIALIST To: MAX Subject: Give Peace agin Date & Time: 02/17/91 23:10:31 Message Number 12289 You can take that Purina Lamb Chow and shove it up your pacifistic... Grr. (Deep breath.) 10-9-8-7-6-5-4-3-2-1. Hmmmm. I don't believe that we would have found you within the fighting ranks of 1776's soldiers, because I don't believe that you have the guts for fighting, period. All your talk about how this other country simply isn't worth fighting for is simply semantic fog to cover up your yello pacifistic back side. You don't seem to want to uphold your responsibilities to this country (which, yes, could include fighting or time in the service EVEN IF you digree with BUSH) yet you will talk all day about your rights. Well, someone hadda die to get those rights secured for you. Yes, that is what I truly believe. =========== From: THE SPECIALIST To: MAX Subject: Faggot friends Date & Time: 02/17/91 23:16:36 Message Number 12290 M>I could also tell you that you /have/ met a few of my friends who are M>bisexual, but since it might confuse you, I won't. Oh, don't worry about confusing me. You "could tell me" but you won't; you'd be lying. Very clever semantic bullshit. The only reason you say that, as a matter of fact, is to cloud the issue. I can tell a fag when I see one, about 90% of the time. The other 10% by the way, is picked up when I have the opportunity to actually meet them. And incidentally, I have a tendency to be pessimistic when I try to figure out if someone I meet is a fag, so I usually can detect all of them. The ones I do decide are fags who are not, ACT like fags, and therefore are also not worth being around. Simple, yes? Oh, and in case you weren't lying, you can be sure that I have already picked them out as fags. So, anything you can tell me would only confirm what I may already believe. Next? =========== From: THE SPECIALIST To: ALL Subject: MY CAR!!! Date & Time: 02/17/91 23:24:37 Message Number 12291 Let it be written...on this date, 17 February, 1991, that the 72 Dodge Charger, with 440 and 4 barrel carb, successful SMOKED a 1987 or later Mustang GT 5.0 in a most RIGHTEOUS fashion. More...more...I want MORE HORSEPOWER! Hehehehe. TIme for a new rear end with a better differential. Then, then! A SIX PACK!!! With... with...an AIR GRABBER SCOOP! YEAH! YEAH! But seriously, tonight the fruition of over a years labor on my Charger produced a conclusive defeat of a black convertible 87 or later Mustang! The light changed, and that Mustang was behind me, and then, in the rearview! And I know that he was racing, because his tires barked off the line. But it was over within seconds. Glorius! =========== From: SAAVIK To: SCOTT STEEL Subject: st Date & Time: 02/18/91 11:32:06 Message Number 12292 Me too. Somehow the characters were real. The new ST is heavy in adven- ture, but they just don't seem real to me. I'd die to go to a convention if you hear about one in Florida, post it, please. Maybe we can get a group of Trekkie's together and invade........ =========== From: SAAVIK To: SCOTT STEEL Subject: Fav Shows Date & Time: 02/18/91 11:34:57 Message Number 12293 The Enterprise incident, Amok time, The Naked time, Charlie X, and Miri. It's hard to choose, I like so many of them. A peice of the action was also one of my favs. What are yours..... and why? =========== From: SAAVIK To: THE SPECIALIST Subject: Saavik Date & Time: 02/18/91 11:37:24 Message Number 12294 It's a shame she didn't play the in the next movie. That Saavik had a larger role. The line "David is dead." Still echos in my mind. I think Kirsty could have pulled it off with just the right effect (The confused Romulan Vulcan- torn between her two worlds of conflicting emotions) There is a book devoted to the history of Saavik. It's called The Pandora Principle. On Pocket books, # 49 of the ST series. It was writ- ten by Carolyn Clowes. It's about Hellgaurd (Saavik's home planet). Check it out. =========== From: TIBERIUS To: SAAVIK Subject: ST IV Date & Time: 02/18/91 13:52:05 Message Number 12296 >"What are you, some kind of vulcan pervert?".........He was. Too bad we humans can't seem to learn the Vulcan nerve pinch. There are a lot of people like thqt I'd just love to reach out and touch sometimes To see a big 250 lb. guy crumble under two fingers would be the ultimate sensation. (And by the way, I think that female "Vulcans" look sexy, ears especially.) As for a return quote, all I can say is "Fascinating!" with a raise of the eyebrows. =========== From: SCOTT STEEL To: SAAVIK Subject: st Date & Time: 02/18/91 16:06:13 Message Number 12298 As far as a convention goes, yes. There's one coming to Florida. I don't have details, but when I have them you'll be first to know. =========== From: SCOTT STEEL To: SAAVIK Subject: Fav Shows Date & Time: 02/18/91 16:07:30 Message Number 12299 I have one all-time favorite. Don't know the title, but it's the episode where Kirk has a battle of wits with a Romulan bird-of-prey. They battle back and forth, etc. The Enterprise plays dead for hours Spock accidently hits a switch on the scanner boards, and the Romulan's detect it. Kirk deduces that the Romulan's /have/ detect them and has Sulu fire phasers in random pattern, widest dispersion. They critically damage the Romulan vessel and they self-destruct. Do you know which one I'm talking about? What is the "whys" on your list of favorite shows? =========== From: SCOTT STEEL To: SCOTT STEEL Subject: Yes, it's mine. Date & Time: 02/18/91 16:14:02 Message Number 12300 I got the 12300th message. I didn't have anything to say but I wanted the number. I'm waiting for #13000. =========== From: SAAVIK To: TIBERIUS Subject: Nerve Pinch Date & Time: 02/18/91 17:45:04 Message Number 12301 Actually, women have perfected a nerve pinch to use on the male species, however, it is most unpleasant as it does not cause unconsciensness (sp? The result is a rather satisfying high pitched squeak. This works exceptionally well on "vulcan and human perverts alike". It should, needless to say, never be used on someone you like. Need I say more? =========== From: SAAVIK To: SCOTT STEEL Subject: convention Date & Time: 02/18/91 17:48:05 Message Number 12302 Keep me posted. We can make it a Star Trek "Trek" party. =========== From: SAAVIK To: SCOTT STEEL Subject: Fav Shows Date & Time: 02/18/91 17:51:37 Message Number 12303 The name of that show was Balance of Terror. It was a good one, Kirk is the ultimate poker player (as later seen in the Wrath of Khan= the ultimate poker game.). As to why I liked Amok Time; because it was the first show that delved(sp?) into the rituals and bowels of Vulcan. I found it "fascinating". Miri; I dunno, Janice Rand had a big part in that one and I liked the plot. Besides Uhera and Chapel, Rand was the only other lead female and for what, one season? Her character was not unflappable and strong like a She-man. And she was the closest thing Kirk had to a steady girl besides the Enterprise. Of course, they never really developed the relationship between the two, which was probobly better for the show. I liked the Naked Time because I believe we all have an alter ego trying to get out. Like Sulu's swashbuckler and Kirk's "man trapped in a love affair with a cold and jealous machine." I think we all live another life deep inside of us. Who can forget the off key singing echoing through the ship "I'll take you home again, Kathleen... .... One more time." Know which one I didn't like? I Mudd. It was stupid. I didn't like seeing Spock dancing around and quoting poetry. It was NOT real. Which one(s) don't you like? =========== From: SAAVIK To: SCOTT STEEL Subject: It's yours Date & Time: 02/18/91 18:03:05 Message Number 12304 Congradulations!!!!! Personally I want 12345. =========== From: P.WHIPPED To: ALL Subject: insanity Date & Time: 02/18/91 23:33:23 Message Number 12305 It has been a while since i last logged on, but i need to ask everyone a small favor. Write a postcard to: Daniel Dubay U.S.F. 1532 Tampa, Fl. 33620 On the postcard simply leave the most obscure message possible ie... "Bring me a lollypop or the chicken flies at dawn." The victim is the roomate of a friend of mine whom we are currently trying to send to the rubber wall papered room. I will reimburse all who participate with sacred Dew at the next furry party at Turtle's whenever that is. Many thanks to all who participate, To all who don't....may your nights be filled with Kafka dreams, P.Whipped =========== From: TIBERIUS To: SAAVIK Subject: Nerve Pinch Date & Time: 02/19/91 13:00:19 Message Number 12306 I see!! I wasn't aware that the female had perfected the pinch, buy I will be wary. I knew that the female had seemed to perfect the Vulcan "mind meld", and without the need for actually touching the face. It is uncanny how some women can read minds better than Spock. =========== From: RUFUS To: MAX Subject: New Topic Date & Time: 02/19/91 15:21:21 Message Number 12308 >The few female paintball teams out there...are consistently ranked in >the upper 25% in national competitions... Just where do you get these weird facts from? (like I'll be getting an answer soon, since you are living in Hernando) =========== From: RUFUS To: SAAVIK Subject: Star Trek Con Date & Time: 02/19/91 15:29:10 Message Number 12309 I know there is a con coming up soon that will be held in Orlando. I forgot all the details, but there is a rather lengthy message about it on Uncle Bob's Alligator Farm. [Hey, it was only half of a shameless plug!] =========== From: SAAVIK To: TIBERIUS Subject: Mind meld Date & Time: 02/19/91 15:36:27 Message Number 12310 And don't you forget it, either. We can see a lie a mile away. =========== From: SAAVIK To: RUFUS Subject: Star Trek Con Date & Time: 02/19/91 15:38:16 Message Number 12311 I'm sure the "plug will be excused..... I'll go the the Farm and look it up. Thanks for the info, darlin'. S A A V I K The Vulcan chick =========== From: SAAVIK To: ALL APPLE PEOPLE Subject: Apple S/E Date & Time: 02/19/91 15:41:00 Message Number 12312 Hey, can anyone help me out with an honest opinion? I have an Apple S/E, 20 meg HD with Great Plains Inventory control, Macwrite, Filemaker plus, and a Imagewriter Printer. (Has other software like Hypercard, ect.) What do you think resale on that puppy would be? I'd like to unload it. It works great, oh by the way, Monochrome screen (blah!!) Lemme know. =========== From: THE SPECIALIST To: SAAVIK Subject: Saavik Date & Time: 02/19/91 18:43:25 Message Number 12313 I think that Kristy would have been better for the flick all around... 'cept the part where they did Pon Farr. Something in my male, chauvinist mind just simply can't picture that finger rubbing would be all that character would be capable of. I mean, please! BTW- thanks for the info on Savvik...if I ever manage to find time to ge get to a libary, I'll look it up. (Not that I never go, I have a card and all, but I just don't have the time anymore....) =========== From: THE SPECIALIST To: SAAVIK Subject: Nerve Pinch Date & Time: 02/19/91 18:47:56 Message Number 12314 "Never kick a man in the balls, even figuratively. No, especially figuratively. Unless you plan to kill him directly afterwards." - Friday =========== From: SAAVIK To: THE SPECIALIST Subject: Kicking Date & Time: 02/19/91 19:03:38 Message Number 12315 I thought that was.... never kick a man when he's down. Jees, I thought that's why you'd get him down in the first place. Don't take that wrong, Boys!!!! I, for one, have never kicked ANYONE ANYWHERE if they didn't deserve it. =========== From: BEATLE To: SCOTT STEEL Subject: trivia Date & Time: 02/19/91 19:11:49 Message Number 12316 > Why [do you like Wesley]? Because I like the idea of a person a little older than myself (not by much) having experiences. He has a genuine wonder and excitement that shows. Plus, its something that would never have happened in the old Trek, and its quite interesting. =========== From: BEATLE To: SCOTT STEEL Subject: trivia Date & Time: 02/19/91 19:13:53 Message Number 12317 > What's this Star Trek refernce material? > Is it the Star Trek Compendium? > BTW, what /is/ Sulu's first name? Starlog's Science-Fiction Video Magazine. No. I don't have that book. Hikaru =========== From: BEATLE To: SCOTT STEEL Subject: Vulcan Death Gr Date & Time: 02/19/91 19:17:18 Message Number 12318 > ...alll beamed over, accidentally, to [another dimension?]... No, that episode is "Mirror, Mirror" (which is one of the best Trek episodes, BTW)... =========== From: BEATLE To: SCOTT STEEL Subject: Enterprize Inc Date & Time: 02/19/91 19:19:22 Message Number 12319 >... most fans of ST are guys. That's a little narrow minded,isn't it? One of the most rabid Trek fans I know is female. BTW, to all the trek fans, who's going to Vulkon Orlando, with Marina Sirtis and Wil Wheaton? =========== From: BEATLE To: SCOTT STEEL Subject: Sulu's Name Date & Time: 02/19/91 19:21:09 Message Number 12320 > Where can I get one. at Waldenbooks. =========== From: BEATLE To: SCOTT STEEL Subject: Wesley Date & Time: 02/19/91 19:21:42 Message Number 12321 > Not a very realistic concept. The young and most inexperienced knows > the answer. Maybe inexperienced, but the knowledge capacity is pretty big. Anyway, it isn't such an alien concept. It has been used in tons of summer films of the 80's... =========== From: BEATLE To: THE SPECIALIST Subject: Give it a Rest Date & Time: 02/19/91 19:25:18 Message Number 12322 > It is the same attitude... Maybe so, but it certainly shows some sort of tollerance. And from your messages, /I/ would get the impression that you would run up and shoot one on the spot. > not my style.. I stand corrected. =========== From: BEATLE To: THE SPECIALIST Subject: Freakish fears Date & Time: 02/19/91 19:27:11 Message Number 12323 > I put on 15 pounds... Hmmm... I gotta do the opposite. I'm too overweight. And the scary thing is that I'm more overweight than I thought. I suppose I should try lifting some weights. I have zippo upper arm strength (can't do one push up or one pull up)... At least I'm running in personal fitness. It would be nice if they progressed you slowly so I can gain tollerance rather than making you run about a mile and a half every other day without stopping. I could get used to it, but the sharp pain in the side is very annoying. At least the leg muscles don't hurt anymore.  =========== From: RUFUS To: SAAVIK Subject: Star Trek Con Date & Time: 02/19/91 20:51:46 Message Number 12324 >Thanks for the info... No Vulcan problem. =========== From: RUFUS To: BEATLE Subject: Freakish fears Date & Time: 02/19/91 20:55:03 Message Number 12325 We learned in personal torture that if you had a pain, you should do more of what caused that pain to make it go away. My comment was: "So if we have a headache, we should hit our head with a hammer?" I hope you get to see a film that goes something like "You can only digest the same type of protiens found in your body," with this stupid kid standing in the middle of the street going "So we have to eat people to get protien that we can use?" The best part is when some guy passing by goes "That's disgusting." The film procedes with animated hamburgers. Not as good as the series of films done by Ford that we saw in drivers ed. =========== From: TURTLE To: SAAVIK Subject: st Date & Time: 02/19/91 22:38:56 Message Number 12328 >But you know what they say about opinions... No, what DO they say about opinions? I've heard what they say about Post-It fish, but that's about it. =========== From: TURTLE To: SAAVIK Subject: ST IV Date & Time: 02/19/91 22:40:06 Message Number 12329 >I would love to go to a convention. I hear they have them in Tampa >from time to time. There's an annual Star Trek con in Tampa called Vulkon, but it's very expensive and not terribly good...it tends to be small and not too interesting, even for ST fans. There's also a general science-fiction/ fantasy con called Necronomicon in the last week in October every year that's much better; it's not strictly Star Trek, but you can find Star Trek-related stuff there and it's both larger and cheaper. =========== From: TURTLE To: THE SPECIALIST Subject: Univ of New Orl Date & Time: 02/19/91 22:45:30 Message Number 12330 >School sports are a waste of money. Period. School is for learning, >and anything else is secondary. >Period. I agree. Again. This is a disturbing trend. =========== From: TURTLE To: THE SPECIALIST Subject: Give it a Rest Date & Time: 02/19/91 22:46:55 Message Number 12331 >Gays reperesent the lowest form of life on this earth, ... Rapists and child molestors represent the lowest form of life on this earth. You can't EVEN tell me you would place a gay below some guy who rapes a nine-year-old girl, even if it is technically a hetero- sexual act, can you? =========== From: TURTLE To: THE SPECIALIST Subject: Give Peace agin Date & Time: 02/19/91 22:48:54 Message Number 12332 >Yes, that is what I truly believe. So you're saying, then, that you /do/ believe the Founding Fathers would approve of fighting to restore a monarchy, at least more than they would approve of someone who follows his country blindly wherever it may lead, whatever the circumstances? I remind you that this country was made a country by people who did NOT follow their government blindly, and in fact REBELLED AGAINST their government. The founding fathers didn't think their government was always right! Wow! (Revelation, like dawn breaking.) The Founding Fathers had more than a little contempt for people who DO follow their government like sheep! (Another revelation.) George Bush is a /man/, not a god, not some infallible superhero. He is capable of error. If he asks me to fight to restore a brutal, bloodthirsty monarch to the head of a repressive, totalitarian government in a country that is not a formal ally, I for one will start taking a long hard look to see if he is not perhaps in error. As for your "yellow-bellied, too cowardly to fight for anything" stance you directed at Max, I state with absolute certainty that you are wrong. Period. I know you will never admit it, but you are wrong. =========== From: TURTLE To: THE SPECIALIST Subject: Faggot friends Date & Time: 02/19/91 22:55:01 Message Number 12333 >Oh, and in case you weren't lying, you can be sure that I have already >picked them out as fags. Care to put a little money on it? I am willing to bet cash you cannot make any such determination with better than 50-50 accuracy in either direction. The fact that you use phrases like "act like fags," as though all "fags" sign a contract somewhere that spells out how they will behave, tells me it's sure money. =========== From: TURTLE To: THE SPECIALIST Subject: MY CAR!!! Date & Time: 02/19/91 22:57:38 Message Number 12334 >...produced a conclusive defeat of a black convertible 87 or >later Mustang! Congratulations! When're you getting the six-pack? =========== From: TURTLE To: SCOTT STEEL Subject: Fav Shows Date & Time: 02/19/91 22:59:39 Message Number 12335 >Do you know which one I'm talking about? "Balance of Terror." Onre of my favorite of the old episodes (along with "The City on the Edge of Forever," an episode whose name eludes me about the Enterprise encountering a robot planet-buster, and the episode with Khan in it.) =========== From: TURTLE To: SAAVIK Subject: Apple S/E Date & Time: 02/19/91 23:05:28 Message Number 12336 Mac SE with 20-megger probably would be worth somewhere around $800 or so resale, although with competition from the new Macintosh Classic (essentially the same computer in a prettier case and a lower pricetag) you'd be fortunate, I think, to get that much. =========== From: TURTLE To: BEATLE Subject: trivia Date & Time: 02/19/91 23:07:27 Message Number 12337 >Plus, it [Wesley] is something that would never have happened in the >old Trek, ... ...and I for one think that's a point in the old Trek's favor. =========== From: TURTLE To: BEATLE Subject: Enterprize Inc Date & Time: 02/19/91 23:08:46 Message Number 12338 SS>... most fans of ST are guys. B> That's a little narrow-minded,isn't it? No. It is provable, observable truth. More than half of all the people who consider themselves "fans" of Star Trek are male. A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT more than half are male. This is a fact that is not based on narrow-mindedness at all; it's based on surveys, attendance at ST cons, enrollment in ST fan clubs, and similar data. Just like most headbangers are male, most soap opera fans are female...these things may fuel stereotypes, but they are not stereotypes; they are observable facts. =========== From: SAAVIK To: RUFUS Subject: Star Trek Con Date & Time: 02/19/91 23:19:03 Message Number 12339 Very cute! =========== From: SAAVIK To: TURTLE Subject: Post it fish? Date & Time: 02/19/91 23:20:11 Message Number 12340 Ok, ok, so what's a post it fish? You know us Vulcans. Insatiable (sp?) curiosity. And as for what they say about opinions....., you aren't gonna fence me into saying it, ARE YOU???? =========== From: SAAVIK To: TURTLE Subject: Necronomicon Date & Time: 02/19/91 23:22:30 Message Number 12341 Sounds interesting. I hope you post details as they become avail..., I'm a Trekkie but I like Sci Fi in general. I've never heard of Vulkon. Are you going to the conv. in Orlando? =========== From: SAAVIK To: TURTLE Subject: Planet buster Date & Time: 02/19/91 23:38:43 Message Number 12343 Are you talking about the Doomsday machine? That was the show with Will Decker's father in it (Will Decker from ST: The movie). Space Seed was the original with Khan in it.... GOOD show! I really liked Khan's quotes in ST: Wrath of Khan...." From Hell's heart, I stab thee." =========== From: SAAVIK To: TURTLE Subject: Mac SE Date & Time: 02/19/91 23:41:32 Message Number 12344 God, is that all!!! I feel violated. You wouldn't believe what that #$%#&@ cost new. Yeah, you probobly would. It's been on lease for 3 yrs and barely used. We got the Compaq 386 and 286's a few months after we leased it. I'm trying to decide whether to buy out the lease and sell it or turn it back into the leasing co. Lease is up end of month. =========== From: SAAVIK To: TURTLE Subject: Give it a Rest Date & Time: 02/19/91 23:48:10 Message Number 12345 Amen, Turtle. A person's sexual preference should not determine where they fall in the food chain! Who you love is not nearly as important as how you love. Listen to the Motley Crue song..."Same old Situation." I think what it's saying is "Love is Love". There is nothing sicker than someone who molests a child. Although they may rationalize it any way they want. And I've heard TOO many of them speak, they truly think that they are doing it out of love. Children are too eager to please. Gawd! Enough of this serious stuff, already!!! =========== From: KNIGHT OWL To: ALL Subject: protocols Date & Time: 02/20/91 05:40:18 Message Number 12350 I got a new terminal program, and it includes a few transfer protocols that are quite strange to me, though I've heard of them before. I'd like to know about: xmodem-1k, ymodem batch. What's the difference between the regular xmodem and the 1k version, and is ymodem batch a multi-file transfer thingie? I also have xmodem and Punter (also milti-file punter). I know about t these. Which is the best to use for speed vs error rate? Thanks in advance, Knight Owl =========== From: BEATLE To: SAAVIK Subject: McCoy's kid Date & Time: 02/20/91 07:06:08 Message Number 12351 > the Crew book... Has anyone sued that company yet? These books that look like they were layed out on a Macintosh (or less) are getting more plentiful by the day ... at least the Trek Crew Book had bad cover art and a lot of mistakes. =========== From: BEATLE To: SAAVIK Subject: Wesley Date & Time: 02/20/91 07:07:47 Message Number 12352 > Do you [Scott Steel] read any of the [new] books? I don't know about him, but I read TNG novels. My favorite Trek book of all is "Survivors" and the second favorite is "Metamorphosis". Soon, the second giant novel will be coming, a Borg story, and a book is  supposed to come where Lwaxana Troi falls in love with Q!!! =========== From: BEATLE To: TIBERIUS Subject: trivia Date & Time: 02/20/91 07:16:07 Message Number 12353 > And you would have liked Gene Roddenberry as a teenager, too? Isn't that who Wesley is based on? I dunno, I wasn't alive when Gene was a kid, but from the interviews I've read, I like the guy. =========== From: BEATLE To: TIBERIUS Subject: trivia Date & Time: 02/20/91 07:17:11 Message Number 12354 > That's righ! As Number One, right? Yep! =========== From: TIBERIUS To: SAAVIK Subject: Mind meld Date & Time: 02/20/91 08:50:51 Message Number 12356 Heck, one of my girlfriends used to be able to tell me what I was thinking down to the last detail. I used to get slapped for what I thought was no apparent reason until I asked. =========== From: TIBERIUS To: BEATLE Subject: trivia Date & Time: 02/20/91 08:52:48 Message Number 12357 I like Gene Roddenberry too, but if Wesley is his alter ego as a teenager, I can think of several people I'd rather be with as teens. =========== From: SAAVIK To: BEATLE Subject: Trek Crew Book Date & Time: 02/20/91 13:54:29 Message Number 12358 It is a lousy peice of publishing for the price. The same Co. makes a Star Trek Encylopedia which I don't have so I can't say that it's as bad but if your a Trekkie, the content is all that counts. I gotta agree about the cover art and it IS full of mistakes. =========== From: SAAVIK To: BEATLE Subject: ST:NG Books Date & Time: 02/20/91 13:56:31 Message Number 12359 I haven't read any New Generation books. But I have almost all the old Star Trek books. Everything from reference books to novels. Let me know the title of the book about Troi and Q. Sounds interesting. =========== From: SAAVIK To: TIBERIUS Subject: "Slapped" Date & Time: 02/20/91 13:58:50 Message Number 12360 You shouldn't have asked. You guys are so transparent......, but if you work on it, women are just as easily read. It's all in the body language and that goes for all people in general. =========== From: RUFUS To: TURTLE Subject: Enterprize Inc Date & Time: 02/20/91 17:08:33 Message Number 12362 Do you remember that Star Trek survey they had at Oasis III that asked questions like how much you made each year, and where you stood on issues like abortion, toxic waste, and velcro shoes? I wonder what ever became of those. I've heard that Oasis IV has been cancelled because the organizer is having personal problems. If you happen to hear anything, send the info my way. =========== From: TURTLE To: SAAVIK Subject: Post it fish? Date & Time: 02/20/91 17:40:18 Message Number 12368 >Ok, ok, so what's a post it fish? A Post-It (tm) fish is a fish that's been treated with 3M's patented adhesive (the one they make Post-It notes with) so it sticks to things and peels off without leaving a sticky residue. >...you aren't gonna fence me into saying it, ARE YOU???? Yes. =========== From: TURTLE To: SAAVIK Subject: Necronomicon Date & Time: 02/20/91 17:41:47 Message Number 12369 >Are you going to the conv. in Orlando? Probably not. I doubt I'll have the time, actually. =========== From: TURTLE To: SAAVIK Subject: Planet buster Date & Time: 02/20/91 17:42:22 Message Number 12370 >Are you talking about the Doomsday machine? Yep, sure am! >I really liked Khan's quotes in ST: Wrath of Khan...." Actually, they're Herman Melville's quotes, from Moby Dick (one of the books sitting on the bookshelf in the cargo container, in fact). "From Hell's heart, I stab at thee; for hate's sake, I spit my last breath at thee." Captain Ahab's last words. If you watch the movie looking for Melville references, you will find lots and lots of them. The scriptwriter was evidently a fan of the classics... =========== From: TURTLE To: SAAVIK Subject: Give it a Rest Date & Time: 02/20/91 17:45:10 Message Number 12371 >Listen to the Motley Crue song..."Same old Situation." Do I HAVE to? There are good Motley Crue songs; that isn't one of them. =========== From: TURTLE To: KNIGHT OWL Subject: protocols Date & Time: 02/20/91 17:46:07 Message Number 12372 XModem 1K is normal XModem/CRC with 1024-byte packets (generic XModem uses 128-byte packets). YModem is XModem 1K with an additional packet that gives the name of the file being transmitted; it is also a batch protocol, so you can send or receive a large number of files all at once (when one file is finished transmitting, it will send an EOT followed by a block zero containing the filename of the next file to be sent; it uses two EOT's to end the transmission when all the files have been sent). XModem 1K is, obviously, faster than XModem because the packet size is larger. Its reliability is about the same, but on noisy lines you're better off with XModem since you don't have as much stuff to retransmit if a frame gets trashed. =========== From: TURTLE To: SAAVIK Subject: "Slapped" Date & Time: 02/20/91 17:50:17 Message Number 12373 >It's all in the body language and that goes for all people in general. Most people can't read body language...and not everyone exhibits it. =========== From: BEATLE To: TURTLE Subject: A/R and the War Date & Time: 02/20/91 18:13:32 Message Number 12374 > garbled or lost completely. I like the garbled ones. They have nice decorative dollar signs in them (increasing their value?)... I can't speak for the lost ones, since I never saw 'em (But that would seem to go along with something lost, right?) =========== From: BEATLE To: SCOTT STEEL Subject: welcome Date & Time: 02/20/91 18:15:59 Message Number 12375 > Kirsty Alye... My Ghod! You actually got the correct pronunciation of her first name! MANY people call her "Kristie" Alley, while it's really "Kirstie Alley". =========== From: BEATLE To: TURTLE Subject: ST movies Date & Time: 02/20/91 18:25:52 Message Number 12376 > The fifth wasn't actually a /movie/ at all... Yeah, it was Shatner's chance to make a bigger ham of himself by dominating the PRODUCTION as well as the acting. Actually, Star Trek V has some (albeit very little) redeeming value. They could have done much better with the idea, tho. BTW, did anyone see the TNG episode called "Devil's Due"? Very anti- religious (evil grin)... =========== From: BEATLE To: TURTLE Subject: ST stuff Date & Time: 02/20/91 18:28:08 Message Number 12377 Any of them there episodes still available??? I'd like to get some of those tapes, esp. the real good episodes. =========== From: THE SPECIALIST To: BEATLE Subject: Self-improvemen Date & Time: 02/20/91 20:50:52 Message Number 12378 So, lemme get this straight...you have all kinds of mass, but not all of it is muscle? Good. Now, all you have to do is lift weights at p;l['./[-p'; /.]\ home, and turn that into muscle. If you think that the pain in your side is bad, wait'll you get into lifting. The nice thing about weightlifting, is that it is brainwashing to a degree. You feel bad the first couple of weeks, then when you notice results, you wanna do more. So you start looking forward to training. You look forward the pain because you know that the pain is building you up. Of course, it's not addictive.... =========== From: THE SPECIALIST To: TURTLE Subject: Give it a Rest Date & Time: 02/20/91 20:56:28 Message Number 12379 TS>Gays represent the lowest form of life on this earth... T>Rapists and child molesters represent the lowest form of life on this T>earth. Ok, I stand corrected. The *second* lowest form of life... (I agree...this *is* a disturbing trend.) =========== From: THE SPECIALIST To: TURTLE Subject: Give Peace agin Date & Time: 02/20/91 20:58:41 Message Number 12380 T>[Speil on founding fathers] No, I don't believe that after ousting a monarchy that they would be very apt to want to restore another. But then, I'm sure that they would understand the idea of repelling a foriegn invader. T>[Harrangue on George Bush] Ok, so the man might be in error. But then again, who would you rather have in charge of Kuwait...a docile govnt or a hostile aggressive govnt? I think I asked you this before. T>[Defense of Max] Ok, so maybe Max is not a yellow belly coward, and maybe I was wrong. I might have posted that out of anger and not a subjective view of Max the individual. But I doubt it. =========== From: THE SPECIALIST To: TURTLE Subject: Deal! Date & Time: 02/20/91 21:03:06 Message Number 12381 TS>...I have already picked them out as fags... T>Care to put money on it> Yes. You list the people that Max has introduced me to and I will estimate probablities on which are fags and not. All fags do not act alike, but a great many of them have traits in common. So don't think you have got your cash yet, Turtle. =========== From: THE SPECIALIST To: TURTLE Subject: MY CAR!!! Date & Time: 02/20/91 21:05:12 Message Number 12382 TS> [Mustang's crushing defeat] T>Congrats! When...six-pack? Well, that's turning out to be a little tricky. Seems the RT hood I have (with the Power Bubble (tm)) is not high enough to top a six-pack assembly. I will probably have to get a Super Bee hood (which apparently stands the 4 inches higher that I will need). When I have resolved *that* situation, then I still have to come up with $650... GAK! I'm thinking sometime in winter, mebbe...of 93.... =========== From: THE SPECIALIST To: TURTLE Subject: Fav Shows Date & Time: 02/20/91 21:09:51 Message Number 12383 T>robot planet buster The Doomsday Machine? ...I dunno... =========== From: THE SPECIALIST To: TURTLE Subject: Give it a Rest Date & Time: 02/20/91 21:15:27 Message Number 12384 S>Listen to the Motley Crue song..."Same old Situation." T>Do I HAVE to? There are good Motley Crue songs; No there aren't. Seems they lack the ability to write music...and are handicapped as far as taste goes in the lyric category. I say that they lack the ability to write music because a good 80% of thier songs use the same cords in the same fashion...C, D, G...or D, G, C... or G, C, D. Same ol' story same ol' Goddamn chords, my friend. =========== From: SAAVIK To: TURTLE Subject: Opinions Date & Time: 02/20/91 22:14:46 Message Number 12385 Ok, ok, opinions are like assholes, everybody has one. There, are you happy???? No offence intended, Darlin'. I would like to see a post-it fish. =========== From: SAAVIK To: TURTLE Subject: ST quotes Date & Time: 02/20/91 22:16:27 Message Number 12386 I knew someone else said them first, I just didn't know who. (Classic illiterate) Thanks for the info. I'll actually read Moby Dick now. (Oh, no! Not read!!!) =========== From: SAAVIK To: TURTLE Subject: Motley Crue Date & Time: 02/20/91 22:17:55 Message Number 12387 I was merely referring to the message in the song. (Yes, it actually has a message). Motley Crue ain't all bad. Beats Lawrence Welk. But then again, what doesn't it? =========== From: SAAVIK To: TURTLE Subject: Body langauge Date & Time: 02/20/91 22:19:25 Message Number 12388 Body Language is an art, both to exhibit and to read. I'm not as good at it as my best friend. She can read a person across the room and she's seldom wrong. You should see her operate........ Wow. =========== From: SCOTT STEEL To: SAAVIK Subject: Fav Shows Date & Time: 02/21/91 00:17:27 Message Number 12389 SA> Which ones don't you like. Granted I Mudd was kinda of stupid but it was also rather funny. Also far a "dumb" shows go, I didn't care for the Alice in Wonderland that much. But, all in all I really don't dislike any of the show. At least as far as I remember. =========== From: SCOTT STEEL To: BEATLE Subject: Enterprize Inc Date & Time: 02/21/91 00:26:34 Message Number 12390 As far as female fans of Star Trek, I've met only a few. As for the convention, I'll go if I can, too many things sit in the wings. =========== From: SCOTT STEEL To: BEATLE Subject: Work-outs Date & Time: 02/21/91 00:29:06 Message Number 12391 If you are overweight, working out is one of the best things to do. There are basically two ways to lose weight. One is to decrease your calorie intake, and the other is to increase to amount of calories you burn up. If you do decide to workout exercise muscle groups every other day, and use a high protein diet. That with allow you to build muscle more effectively. Don't increase your carbohydrate intake too much, because then, during workout, you will be burning carbohydrates not fat. Don't try to do both methods, that's a mistake a lot of people make. The problem with doing that is you won't be able to workout long enough to start burning fat because you'll tire too easily. =========== From: SCOTT STEEL To: TURTLE Subject: st Date & Time: 02/21/91 00:36:28 Message Number 12392 T> No, what DO they say about opinions? Not necessarily factual, but only perspective. =========== From: SCOTT STEEL To: SAAVIK Subject: Planet buster Date & Time: 02/21/91 00:43:04 Message Number 12393 I like the quote that Khan referred to in Space Seed. It is better to rule in hell, then to be a servant in heaven.(i'm not sure that's an accurate quote.) =========== From: SCOTT STEEL To: SAAVIK Subject: "Slapped" Date & Time: 02/21/91 00:48:03 Message Number 12394 SA>....you guys are so transparent... I could say a few things for the women of the 90's. I tell you one thing I what rather be labeled transparent (Which I don't consider myself to be.) then to be labeled plastic or phony. More and more women today are plastic, and those kinda of people I can do without. I'm having to hardest time trying to find a women who is honest, and real-to-life. It seems that so many people have given up hope on real relationships, and have substituted cheap thrills. =========== From: SCOTT STEEL To: TURTLE Subject: Give it a Rest Date & Time: 02/21/91 00:53:54 Message Number 12395 T> ..There are good Motley Cure songs; that isn't one of them. What's wrong with it? It got good lyrics and a good beat. =========== From: SCOTT STEEL To: THE SPECIALIST Subject: Give Peace agin Date & Time: 02/21/91 00:58:22 Message Number 12396 TS> I might have posted that out of anger and not a subjective view of TS> Max the individual. Well, I watched you post that message and, yes, you were very angry. But whether or not you comments about Max are valid; I don't know, I hardly know him. =========== From: SCOTT STEEL To: THE SPECIALIST Subject: Give it a Rest Date & Time: 02/21/91 01:01:43 Message Number 12397 Seems (Motley Crue) lack the ability to write music...blather...blather ....blah. *yawn* This from a confessed hater of heavy metal. Your prejudice is showing. As far as chord structure is concerned a lot of groups, both heavy metal and other forms of music, usually have three or four main chords in them. But Motley Crue does write some good songs, some good lyrics, and some damn good guitar riffs. =========== From: SCOTT STEEL To: SAAVIK Subject: Give it a Rest Date & Time: 02/21/91 01:08:32 Message Number 12398 Congrats on getting message #12345. =========== From: KNIGHT OWL To: TURTLE Subject: protocols Date & Time: 02/21/91 03:51:52 Message Number 12399 Thanks for the info. With my new term program, is an ANSI terminak, and VT52 terminal. I've tried getting graphics, but no luck. What should I try to change in the parameters menu? I've tried several things to no avail. SEE YA! Knight Owl ===========